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    Starter Bracket Won’t Fit New Starter

    Anyone experiencing this:

    This is the second remanufactured starter from OGTS in several months. Both starters must be larger than the original starter from my ’72 GT. The bracket’s slots for the two bolts that stick out from the starter are too narrow to allow the bracket to mount.

    Also, the starter must be ½ inch longer than original, because after drilling new holes in the bracket so I could mount it to the starter, it is nowhere close to lining up with the 13mm bolt hole in the block.

    Has anyone shimmed their starter? Mine is throwing off sparks when the engine runs (I’ve got the bell housing removed so I can observe this). The teeth are just barely coming into contact with the flywheel teeth.

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    Keith, it almost sounds like your starter is not all the way in. That would explain the extra length at the bracket, and not grabbing the flywheel.

    I have not bought mine at OGTS, but would expect it to be OEM size. Mine is from Kragen and fits like the old one did.

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    Keith;
    Another thing about those brackets, not all starters are the same. I just recently got two from Rock Auto, they're shorter than the stock starter, so I left the bracket off. Both starters still work perfectly.
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    Both Delco and Bosch supplied starters and the parts are not interchangeable.
    So it seems reasonable they would be different lengths. See RockAuto for pictures of both. They physically look a bit different.

    On page 1B-10 the 1973 FSM for both the GT and Manta/Ascona comments "A new Delco Remy starter for 1973.....".
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    Not all Opels used the starter bracket. I have gone through at least 10 starters over the years. Some fit some didn't. As long as the two big bolts are in you are fine.
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    I never had to shim a replacement GT starter.
    Some starters do not have the front bracket.
    As mentioned, there are Delco and Bosch starters.

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    I shimmed the starter, and abandoned the bracket this afternoon.
    It seems to have done the trick.
    The horrible grinding noise is gone when the engine is running.

    Now I can move on to reinstalling the bell housing and transmission, and getting this engine fully broken in.

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    Until recently I had only noticed that there were two starters used on the 1.9 engines. either Bosch or Delco. The front brackets were different and NOT interchangeable. Recently I came across a Bosch starter that was shorter than any of the Bosch starters that I had on hand and I did not have a bracket that would work on it. The starter was from a '69 GT.

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    I see OGTS is also offering a permanent magnet starter for the GT. Anybody have one of these?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aardvaark View Post
    I see OGTS is also offering a permanent magnet starter for the GT. Anybody have one of these?
    I've got one. I haven't installed it yet, but it is supposed to be way better than the original. More power and faster starting. A must for higher displacement/compression engines.

    I'll be getting my GT back together before winter. I'll let you know how it works.
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    BMW 2002 guys do the same thing. A starter from the E30 M3 fits perfectly and cranks about twice as fast. Just did mine about 2 months ago. So a more modern Opel starter should do the same to GT's/Mantas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hrcollinsjr View Post
    until recently i had only noticed that there were two starters used on the 1.9 engines. Either Bosch or Delco. the front brackets were different and not interchangeable. recently i came across a Bosch starter that was shorter than any of the Bosch starters that i had on hand and i did not have a bracket that would work on it. The starter was from a '69 gt.

    Harold
    . . . bingo! . . . bet 'shorty' Bosch had an aluminum "Bendix" housing rather than cast iron too, huh!
    Last edited by tekenaar; 07-27-2010 at 09:49 AM.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Aardvaark View Post
    I see OGTS is also offering a permanent magnet starter for the GT. Anybody have one of these?
    It's the factory 2.4 Opel starter. OGTS bought all the remaining ones in Opel's inventory. They are VERY nice, almost exactly 1/2 the weight of a 1.9 starter, and literally twice the power. A must-have for a high compression big displacement CIH! And no issues with hot-starting....
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    Quote Originally Posted by RallyBob View Post
    It's the factory 2.4 Opel starter. OGTS bought all the remaining ones in Opel's inventory. They are VERY nice, almost exactly 1/2 the weight of a 1.9 starter, and literally twice the power. A must-have for a high compression big displacement CIH! And no issues with hot-starting....
    82' 2.0 Efi starter is same as 1.9 or like 2.4? Or different from both?
    Idea is to put that 2.4 starter on 2.0Efi engine, if it truly is lighter/more powerful.
    Last edited by tekenaar; 08-06-2012 at 09:32 AM. Reason: powerfull

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    I bought the 2.4 starter from OGTS and it is lighter and stronger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RallyBob View Post
    It's the factory 2.4 Opel starter. OGTS bought all the remaining ones in Opel's inventory. They are VERY nice, almost exactly 1/2 the weight of a 1.9 starter, and literally twice the power. A must-have for a high compression big displacement CIH! And no issues with hot-starting....
    Does anyone know the part#? I cant seem to find it on the OGTS website...any help would be greatly appreciated!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomking View Post
    I bought the 2.4 starter from OGTS and it is lighter and stronger.
    Is 2.4starter lighter than 1.9 or 2.0? Or both?
    Last edited by tekenaar; 08-06-2012 at 09:10 AM.

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    Lighter than the 1.9. I dont know anything about a 2.0.
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    Red faceIt's a 2.4 starter . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by Lesis View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by tomking View Post
    I bought the 2.4 starter from OGTS and it is lighter and stronger.
    Is 2.4starter lighter than 1.9 or 2.0?Or both?
    Quote Originally Posted by tomking View Post
    Lighter than the 1.9. I dont know anything about a 2.0.
    . . . clear? . . . i.e. used only on the 2.4 engine, the others share the same starters.
    Last edited by tekenaar; 11-04-2011 at 08:41 AM.


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