pertronix again

[Ray Morley]

Guys:

I am starting a new thread with a new question.

On my attached photo you can see the green wire that runs from the points to the coil. It splits up near the coil with the split going to an item called a Solenoid Valve Relay listed as Item 60 in the wiring diagram in the Opel Service Manual.

Would I assume that I would disconnect the points wire at the 'T' and leave the remaining connection live to power the Sol Valve Relay and the Pertronix wire would be routed to its own connector?

I just do not want to cause more problems down the road until I know exactly what needs to be done to ensure proper installation.

[David McCollam]

Ray,

Your connections should have on 12V ignition key switched feed to the red wire of the Pertronix unit from the fuse panel. The other side of the Pertronix (black wire) should connect to the lead formerly connected to the points in the distributor (green wire) to the coil. Use the "Search" feature and "Pertronix Connections". There is a thread on it with a definitive explanation by Otto.

Dave

[Ray Morley]

Hi Dave:

I know the red wire goes up to a key activated fuse on the fuse panel rather than to the coil.....thats not my concern.

Its the green wire from the points to the coil that is my issue. In my attached pic you can see the green wire and my screwdriver is pointed to the single wire that goes back to the distributor.

As the green wire nears the coil you can see how it splits into two separate wires. One of the green wires from that split goes down to the Solenoid Valve Relay.

I assume this SV Relay still needs to get power from its associated green wire.

So when I install my Pertronix I will run the Black wire to the coil on the side of the green wire........thats easy to understand.

Should I still leave the green wire also connected to the coil to power the SV Relay but disconnect the distributor part of it at the 'Y' connection?

[tekenaar]

Originally Posted by Ray Morley Guys: I am starting a new thread with a new question. On my attached photo you can see the green wire that runs from the points to the coil. It splits up near the coil with the split going to an item called a Solenoid Valve Relay listed as Item 60 in the wiring diagram in the Opel Service Manual. Would I assume that I would disconnect the points wire at the 'T' and leave the remaining connection live to power the Sol Valve Relay and the Pertronix wire would be routed to its own connector? I just do not want to cause more problems down the road until I know exactly what needs to be done to ensure proper installation.

One green wire goes to points/condenser in the distributor, the other is the trigger to your tachometer . . . at least in all the Opel wiring diagrams I've ever seen!

[namba209]

Otto that's what I thought too. I wonder if he's got a 73 or later carb with a solenoid shutoff on it. If so, maybe the Dreaded P.O. wired it into the coil wire as a possible lead to a relay that energizes the solenoid

[tekenaar]

Ray,
This is NOT Kadett forum specific thread, have moved to 1B - Ignition, like I did your first one.

[Ray Morley]

Originally Posted by tekenaar One green wire goes to points/condenser in the distributor, the other is the trigger to your tachometer . . . at least in all the Opel wiring diagrams I've ever seen!

I reviewed the wiring diagram again and after the Solenoid Valve Relay the GREEN wire does go to the Tachometer.

So when you look at my attached photo will the section of GREEN wire that goes to the Tach be attached back up to one of the connectors on the coil after I have removed the section of wire that went to the distributor?

[tekenaar]

Originally Posted by Ray Morley I reviewed the wiring diagram again and after the Solenoid Valve Relay the GREEN wire does go to the Tachometer. So when you look at my attached photo will the section of GREEN wire that goes to the Tach be attached back up to one of the connectors on the coil after I have removed the section of wire that went to the distributor?

Begs the question, at least to me, which manual's wiring diagram are you using? Can you scan diagram or section that pertains to this and post it here?

[Ray Morley]

Hi Tek: The manual I am using is the Official GM Black Covered OPEL 1970 KADETT @ GT SERVICE MANUAL. The diagram is on Page 120-26 and listed as Figure 120-27 Wiring Diagram Kadett Rallye.

Also, I have attached a scan from this site of the area in question. You can follow the green wire to the Solenoid Relay Valve

[Ray Morley]

If I did this:

Green wire to distributor disconnected.

Tach wire still connected to coil and powered.

Will this work?

[tekenaar]

Originally Posted by Ray Morley If I did this: Green wire to distributor disconnected. Tach wire still connected to coil and powered. Will this work?

Yes, and you would hook up the black trigger wire from the Pertronix to the connecter from which you just removed the green distributor wire. Just DO NOT connect the Pertronix red (+12V) power wire to the +/plus side of the coil!!! Power it from any other switched (turns on with key) 12V source so that you get a full 12V, not the ~9V at the coil (resistor wire), OK?

[Ray Morley]

I will hook up the RED wire at the fuse box much like I did when I hooked up my Electric Choke on the Weber 32/36. (Key on activated)

The connector thats disconnected in the photo is not a spade type but a circular type. Will I have to do a minor connector modification so I can hook up the Pertronix to it?

[Ray Morley]

This is the connector end that comes out from the coil.

[tekenaar]

Originally Posted by Ray Morley I will hook up the RED wire at the fuse box much like I did when I hooked up my Electric Choke on the Weber 32/36. (Key on activated) The connector that's disconnected in the photo is not a spade type but a circular type. Will I have to do a minor connector modification so I can hook up the Pertronix to it?

Replace Pertronix black wire female spade with .157 female "bullet" connector, common size at any hardware store and what's on the end of your existing green points wire from the distributor.

. . . or you can just clip your existing green disti point wire about an inch from your disconnected end, cut off the black wire female spade lug, strip both ends and splice . . . DOH

[Ray Morley]

Thanks a bunch Tek! Is it also possible for me to:

1) Hook the Pertronix Black directly to the coil.

2) Put a Spade Connector on the end of the Tach Wire and hook it to the coil also. To another connector.

This would eliminate the "Y" connection that is in the photos.

[tekenaar]

Originally Posted by Ray Morley Hi Tek: The manual I am using is the Official GM Black Covered OPEL 1970 KADETT @ GT SERVICE MANUAL. The diagram is on Page 120-26 and listed as Figure 120-27 Wiring Diagram Kadett Rallye. Also, I have attached a scan from this site of the area in question. You can follow the green wire to the Solenoid Relay Valve

Must admit this had me going for a minute. Looked through the manual to discover what this was used for and where it was physically located. Found it!!!

Figure 64-44A shows the solenoid to be part of the mixture balance device for twin carb 11R and 11SR (1.1 OHV) OECS (Opel Emission Control System) engines offered only in '69 and '70 models . . . phew!!

[Ray Morley]

70 Kadett Rallye Fuse Box

I have 6 fuses with #1 starting at the Firewall. My Weber 32 Electric Choke is connected at #3 and is key activated.

What fuse connector would you recommend that I use for the Pertronix hook-up?

Thanks, Ray M

[tekenaar]

Originally Posted by Ray Morley 70 Kadett Rallye Fuse Box I have 6 fuses with #1 starting at the Firewall. My Weber 32 Electric Choke is connected at #3 and is key activated. What fuse connector would you recommend that I use for the Pertronix hook-up? Thanks, Ray M

Fuse #1, #2 or #3 are all "switched 12V" off ignition switch terminal 15. Any free spade lug at any of these fuses at the top of the fuse panel (fused) is fine. I'm assuming that you hooked up your electric choke there (top) as well. You want these connections fused!

[Ray Morley]

Thanks Otto! Yes, I have my electric choke connector on top of the fuse.

[Ray Morley]

Otto: The #1, 2 and 3 connectors are all used. The #3 is the easiest to access.

Can I snip the connector off of my electric choke connection and then combine the choke wire and pertronix wire on a single connector and then attach it back on the fuse spade? I noticed some of the other connections have more than one wire going in to them so I would imagine it will work.

I just wanted to check with you before I cause myself some grief.

Ray

[tekenaar]

Originally Posted by Ray Morley Otto: The #1, 2 and 3 connectors are all used. The #3 is the easiest to access. Can I snip the connector off of my electric choke connection and then combine the choke wire and pertronix wire on a single connector and then attach it back on the fuse spade? I noticed some of the other connections have more than one wire going in to them so I would imagine it will work. I just wanted to check with you before I cause myself some grief. Ray

Yes sirree!

[Ray Morley]

I had no problems wiring the Pertronix and Choke wires together and I placed them on Fuse 3.

The installation was simple and in one of my previous postings I was having a screw problem on my distributor base where the Points were located. I went with a screw the same diameter and longer. It worked fine.

The Kadett started right up and ran alot smoother than it ever has before. Even my wife was impressed and when a wife is impressed with an Opel..................well...............then something went right

The Dwell remains at about 54 and even with some small adjustments on the air gap it runs best at 54.

Thanks to ALL who helped me along with this!!!

Ray.........in the Great White North

[tekenaar]

Originally Posted by Ray Morley I had no problems wiring the Pertronix and Choke wires together and I placed them on Fuse 3. The installation was simple and in one of my previous postings I was having a screw problem on my distributor base where the Points were located. I went with a screw the same diameter and longer. It worked fine. The Kadett started right up and ran alot smoother than it ever has before. Even my wife was impressed and when a wife is impressed with an Opel..................well...............then something went right The Dwell remains at about 54 and even with some small adjustments on the air gap it runs best at 54. Thanks to ALL who helped me along with this!!! Ray.........in the Great White North

Ray,
Words of caution: ONLY!! use the clear plastic 'gauge' that Pertronix includes for setting the air gap . . . this is the ideal operational gap!

Wider or narrower air gap results in lower actual spark performance . . . proven by others who have tried it without success!

[Lindsay]

Auto Parts Stores and RadioShack sell piggyback connectors to gang (install one or more) 1/4 inch Faston terminals to Fuse Block terminals. Even though the two wire were combined sucessfully, I still prefer to use piggyback terminals, so that I can rearrange wires at Fuse Terminal if I have to.

Lindsay
71 GT

[Ray Morley]

Hi Otto: The gap is set at the plastic gauge setting and the dwell is constant at 54. I will not narrow or widen the gap.