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    Early 69 GT rear axle seals-- HELP

    Hey, our order ended up with the seals for the wrong year car. We would like to get seals locally to finish up this project. Does anyone have rear axle seal part numbers for the early GT axles? Thanks!

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    3454221 is the part shown for 69-71 in the dealer Opel Parts Book. Is it for a 1.1 or a 1.9 rear axle assembly?
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    This is what Rock Auto lists for a 1969 GT rear axle seal with Ball Bearings
    Timken 1187S
    Last edited by hrcollinsjr; 03-19-2017 at 07:15 PM. Reason: Part number corrected

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gordy View Post
    This is what Rock Auto lists for a 1969 GT rear axle seal with Ball Bearings
    Timken 11875
    Sorry--- it is for a 1.9 axle


    Thanks Gordy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gordy View Post
    This is what Rock Auto lists for a 1969 GT rear axle seal with Ball Bearings
    Timken 11875
    As an update for future reference and searches ,we were able to locate the correct seal. It is actually 1187-S (not 5)

    Thanks for all your help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saxybiker View Post
    As an update for future reference and searches ,we were able to locate the correct seal. It is actually 1187-S (not 5)

    Thanks for all your help.
    S it is then. The eyes are the first thing to go! Wait, The eyes are the SECOND thing to go!
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    P.S. I think it was Knorm who discovered a really easy and less injurious to the c-clip way of getting the c-clips back on. Rather than trying to spread those bear trap-strength springs with a set of snap ring pliers, poke the axle just barely through the thing it passes through in the diff, position the clip on the tapered tip of the axle, wedge something like screw drivers or wrenches or something top and bottom between the c-clip and the whirly-gig gizmo in the center of the diff, and smack the lug bolt end of the axle. The axle will push itself right into the clip, maybe even all the way until the clip snaps into the groove. If not, just pry and push it until it snaps into the groove. I've spend ages trying to get those clips on and broken a few. They're not easy to get. Knorm's method took 5 minutes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gordy View Post
    S it is then. The eyes are the first thing to go! Wait, The eyes are the SECOND thing to go!

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Scifi Guy View Post
    P.S. I think it was Knorm who discovered a really easy and less injurious to the c-clip way of getting the c-clips back on. Rather than trying to spread those bear trap-strength springs with a set of snap ring pliers, poke the axle just barely through the thing it passes through in the diff, position the clip on the tapered tip of the axle, wedge something like screw drivers or wrenches or something top and bottom between the c-clip and the whirly-gig gizmo in the center of the diff, and smack the lug bolt end of the axle. The axle will push itself right into the clip, maybe even all the way until the clip snaps into the groove. If not, just pry and push it until it snaps into the groove. I've spend ages trying to get those clips on and broken a few. They're not easy to get. Knorm's method took 5 minutes.


    We bought the Lisle 49200 Heavy Duty Snap Ring Plier Internal and External and the clips came right off in good condition. No issues. We bought ours at Summit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saxybiker View Post
    ....We bought ours at Summit.
    Right down thew street from you!
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Scifi Guy View Post
    P.S. I think it was Knorm who discovered a really easy and less injurious to the c-clip way of getting the c-clips back on. Rather than trying to spread those bear trap-strength springs with a set of snap ring pliers, poke the axle just barely through the thing it passes through in the diff, position the clip on the tapered tip of the axle, wedge something like screw drivers or wrenches or something top and bottom between the c-clip and the whirly-gig gizmo in the center of the diff, and smack the lug bolt end of the axle. The axle will push itself right into the clip, maybe even all the way until the clip snaps into the groove. If not, just pry and push it until it snaps into the groove. I've spend ages trying to get those clips on and broken a few. They're not easy to get. Knorm's method took 5 minutes.

    How I see it only you can cause a catastrophe with something as simple as a C-Clip? I've taken and reinstalled these for years without any issues. I've had some break, but was able to get NOS ones without issue
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gary View Post
    Right down thew street from you!
    Very Handy indeed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Scifi Guy View Post
    P.S. I think it was Knorm who discovered a really easy and less injurious to the c-clip way of getting the c-clips back on. Rather than trying to spread those bear trap-strength springs with a set of snap ring pliers, poke the axle just barely through the thing it passes through in the diff, position the clip on the tapered tip of the axle, wedge something like screw drivers or wrenches or something top and bottom between the c-clip and the whirly-gig gizmo in the center of the diff, and smack the lug bolt end of the axle. The axle will push itself right into the clip, maybe even all the way until the clip snaps into the groove. If not, just pry and push it until it snaps into the groove. I've spend ages trying to get those clips on and broken a few. They're not easy to get. Knorm's method took 5 minutes.

    I cant believe you broke some of those clips! The NOS ones at least are pretty sturdy! But yes thats basically how I put mine on.
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    One technique we used to check the reusability of the clip was to compare the ID of the clip once it was removed to the axle spline OD. By simply standing the axle on end (studs facing down) we placed the clip on the end of the shaft to verify it had not been stretched or out of shape from being removed. Seemed logical to me.....
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    Vickie, were you able to actually find one in hand by that number, or did you order one? The reason I ask is that usually those seals go by the dimensions for their number, like 10mm x 12mm x 62mm, would be a 101262 part number. If you do not get the right thing, I can post the dimensions written on the seal and get you the right thing
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    SmileThe rest of the story...

    Thanks and major Kudos go out to David for traveling up to our compound to help an aging Opeler...

    David's young eyes spotted two boxes from Timken with the part number on them in my stash (one of them, anyhow) and sure enough, there they were! So we are sure that the number is 1187-S.

    The Lisle Heavy Duty Snap Ring Plier tool that we got from Summit needed to be adjusted a little (big hammer) to get the correct angle to remove the snap ring, but it came right out and went back in (ask David - he did the "dirty work").

    Now, with David"s help, Vickie's red GT (Omi) is running better than ever and the rear end leak is fixed. It is the first of our cars to be "Carlisle ready"!

    Thanks again to David for his help. He has me motivated again. Maybe we'll see Opie and Octavia running again this year!

    Allen and Vickie Gage
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    1975 Ascona Sport Wagon: Otto Colonel Mustard
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