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My 1900 . . . uh, Ascona S!

Erick sent me the Euro version badging some time ago, so I finally got around to changing it and thought I'd post . . . WAS/IS:
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I have a couple of "ASCONA" badges too, but, was at a loss as to where they mounted to the Wagon, 'till just this week. See picture below
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Originally Posted by BQS4 View Post
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I have a couple of "ASCONA" badges too, but, was at a loss as to where they mounted to the Wagon, 'till just this week. See picture below
Gene, it should say 'Caravan' or 'Voyager' depending on the country!
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Ok, which country says which and where would it be located on the car?
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Originally Posted by BQS4 View Post
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Ok, which country says which and where would it be located on the car?
I remember seeing an Ascona 'A' wagon in the UK that had 'Voyager' emblems on it...right hand side IIRC. I have a photo somewhere...

But the smart thing to do would be for me to dig out my Opel microfische machine and just look it up, right?

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correct,

from 70 - 73 the "Non - US - spec " Ascona Wagons had "Voyage" labels on both fenders.

the later ones were sold w/o the "Voyage" labels
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What were the different Ascona models? Ascona, Ascona S, Ascona SR and what were the main differences?

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Originally Posted by hrcollinsjr View Post
What were the different Ascona models? Ascona, Ascona S, Ascona SR and what were the main differences?

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Ascona:
Model with a low compression engine 1.6 N [not sure if there was a 1.9 N engine]
Ascona S:
Model with a high compression engine 1.6 S or 1.9 S
Ascona SR:
Model with a high compression engine 1.6 S or 1.9 S,
and with visual trimmings: 3 gauges in the middle console and, as we call them here, cross rims or clover rims.
There also is an Ascona with a 1.2 engine, don't know if it was a high or low comp engine.
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Originally Posted by 2 Fast 4 U View Post
Ascona:
Model with a low compression engine 1.6 N [not sure if there was a 1.9 N engine]
Ascona S:
Model with a high compression engine 1.6 S or 1.9 S
Ascona SR:
Model with a high compression engine 1.6 S or 1.9 S,
and with optic trimmings: 3 gauges in the middel console, and as we cal them here cross rims or clover rims.
There also is an Ascona with a 1.2 engine, don't know if it was a high or low comp engine.
hth

yes correct,
some additions:
1.9 low compression (75 hp) and and 1.2 low compression (55 hp) were not available for the Ascona/Manta A vehicles.
1.6 S high compression had 75 or 80 hp. The 1.6 S 80 hp head is a real rarity.
In combination with a 1.9.s or 2.0 s engine block, the engine runs fantastic.

btw, very, very few cars (less than 50) with the 1,7 engine were built for the Egypt market.

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Originally Posted by OpelGT-de View Post
yes correct,
some additions:
1.9 low compression (75 hp) and and 1.2 low compression (55 hp) were not available for the Ascona/Manta A vehicles.
1.6 S high compression had 75 or 80 hp. The 1.6 S 80 hp head is a real rarity.
In combination with a 1.9.s or 2.0 s engine block, the engine runs fantastic.
I have a 2.0 N with a 1.6 head and I must say it does run a lot better than a 1.9 N engine

Originally Posted by OpelGT-de View Post
btw, very very few cars (less than 50) with the 1,7 engine were built for the Egypt market.
That I didn't know
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Originally Posted by OpelGT-de View Post
yes correct,
some additions:
1.9 low compression (75 hp) and and 1.2 low compression (55 hp) were not available for the Ascona/Manta A vehicles.
1.6 S high compression had 75 or 80 hp. The 1.6 S 80 hp head is a real rarity.
In combination with a 1.9.s or 2.0 s engine block, the engine runs fantastic.

btw, very very few cars (less than 50) with the 1,7 engine were built for the Egypt market.
Really!? I didn`t know that. I had one in -79 -80 -81 and -82, and I loved it. If I remember correctly the badging said: ASCONA 16S, with a red S. Wish I had it now.......
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Originally Posted by OpelGT-de View Post
yes correct,
some additions:
1.9 low compression (75 hp) and and 1.2 low compression (55 hp) were not available for the Ascona/Manta A vehicles.
1.6 S high compression had 75 or 80 hp. The 1.6 S 80 hp head is a real rarity.
In combination with a 1.9.s or 2.0 s engine block, the engine runs fantastic
.

btw, very very few cars (less than 50) with the 1,7 engine were built for the Egypt market.
I have a modified 1.6S head on a 2.0 block for my rallycar. Previously that cylinder head was on a 2.2 block and yes, it went well!
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Question 16S head details

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I have a modified 1.6S head on a 2.0 block for my rallycar. Previously that cylinder head was on a 2.2 block and yes, it went well!
. . . OK, so is the 16S head a 10-bolt/3-bearing head then?

Out of curiosity, how does it compare to the 19H head used on the "sprint" engines . . . it had a smaller combustion chamber to raise the compression to 9.5:1 . . .
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"Red S" badging

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Really!? I didn`t know that. I had one in -79 -80 -81 and -82, and I loved it. If I remember correctly the badging said: ASCONA 16S, with a red S. Wish I had it now.......
. . . yes, but the "S" was probably red on the edges only, at least the one Erick sent me was!

I painted the edges black on mine . . . red just didn't look right next to the Fireglow paint . . . I digress.
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Originally Posted by tekenaar View Post
. . . yes, but the "S" was probably red on the edges only, at least the one Erick sent me was!

I painted the edges black on mine . . . red just didn't look right next to the Fireglow paint . . . I digress.
Now that you mention it...., it probably was red on the edges only.

I can see your point on the red/fireglow.
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Now that you mention it...., it probably was red on the edges only.

I can see your point on the red/fireglow.
. . . I've said it before, so I'll say it again, " . . . difference is in the details!"
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Originally Posted by tekenaar View Post
. . . OK, so is the 16S head a 10-bolt/3-bearing head then?

Out of curiosity, how does it compare to the 19H head used on the "sprint" engines . . . it had a smaller combustion chamber to raise the compression to 9.5:1 . . .
The chamber was exactly identical to a 1.5 head. So it's much smaller than a 1.9H chamber. The real interesting thing is that this 1.6S head I had was a factory replacement head.
It was cast in 1974.
But it IS a 10-bolt head.
And, it had the 4th cam bearing journal machined, but not drilled for an oil passage. I merely drilled the oil passage and installed a cam bearing and, voilà!....4-bearing head.

Odd stuff indeed.
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As far as i now there hasn`t been a Ascona S. maybe a 16 S oder 19 S.

The model sold in the us was runned as Opel Ascona in Germany. Due to there was a follow up modell it hits history as the Ascona "A". Depending on the engine its been called 16 or 19. The estate modell was called Ascona Voyage. all other opel estates are called caravan. The Manta was sold here as 1.6 (not 16!) and 1.9 (not 19!). they runned with "Benzin" 91 Octane (?) think you call it regular gas. the "S" versions i.e. the 1.6 S and 1.9 S needed Super-Benzin (95 octane?) think you call it "unleaded". They used to drive with leaded fuel which was finally forbidden in germany in the early 90s. we use a lead additive now to run them. due to the emission regulations opel just sold the 1900 engine in the us as far as i know. because it was the only engine (after certain modification) that could fullfill your emission regulations.

there has been a manta with a 1200 engin but wasn`t sold that much.

the manta in germany had little rays on each front wing, due to his name named after the manta ray. it was sold as manta (basic version), manta luxus (some chrome and options), the manta berlinetta (comparabel to your luxus model) with certain upholstery, wooden interior pieces and a lot options and vinyl roof.

the "S" above all a red S has just been on the manta models. never had seen one on a ascona.

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As far as i now there hasn`t been a Ascona S. maybe a 16 S oder 19 S.

The model sold in the us was runned as Opel Ascona in Germany. Due to there was a follow up modell it hits history as the Ascona "A". Depending on the engine its been called 16 or 19. The estate modell was called Ascona Voyage. all other opel estates are called caravan. The Manta was sold here as 1.6 (not 16!) and 1.9 (not 19!). they runned with "Benzin" 91 Octane (?) think you call it regular gas. the "S" versions i.e. the 1.6 S and 1.9 S needed Super-Benzin (95 octane?) think you call it "unleaded". They used to drive with leaded fuel which was finally forbidden in germany in the early 90s. we use a lead additive now to run them. due to the emission regulations opel just sold the 1900 engine in the us as far as i know. because it was the only engine (after certain modification) that could fullfill your emission regulations.

there has been a manta with a 1200 engin but wasn`t sold that much.

the manta in germany had little rays on each front wing, due to his name named after the manta ray. it was sold as manta (basic version), manta luxus (some chrome and options), the manta berlinetta (comparabel to your luxus model) with certain upholstery, wooden interior pieces and a lot options and vinyl roof.

the "S" above all a red S has just been on the manta models. never had seen one on a ascona.
What the fuel concerns: all "N" engines needed RON 91 and all the "S" engines RON 98.
RON 95 or Euro 95 was made for car engines made in the late 80's

Coming back to the "S" original, on the Ascona, the S is silver colored with the sides painted red, on the Manta the "S" is different, the face [front] is, not sure how to put it, recessed ["hollow"] and filled with red paint while the sides are silver.

The SR badge is the same for the Ascona & Manta, and are made in the style of the Manta "S"
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