Rallye Gauge Panels

heimue · 03-07-2005

Questions regarding sport instrument panel (Rallye gauges):

@qqqqqq666:

have you checked on German ebay? The sport instrument panel for the Kadetts pop up every once in a while, although they are pretty rare even in Germany. I can imagine that you can get your Ascona parts as well.

Dieter

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BQS4 · 03-07-2005

qqqqqq666;
There's two styles of those gauge panels. the 71-73? had one I call the "early" style, and the 74-75 (late) had a different style (see neuropel's avatar). Both have the same set of gauges in them. Which style are you wanting?

qqqqqq666 · 03-08-2005

I didn't know that. What are the differences of these two sets? neuropel's avatar is small and I can't see it well. If there are pictures of both I would like to have a look, but I don't thing I would mine having either one.

BQS4 · 03-08-2005

qqqqqq666;
I'll post pics of both tonight, when I get home.

BQS4 · 03-08-2005

qqqqqq666;
Here's the two gauge panels, the first is the early style, the next is the late style. Note, the "wood" on the late style was not on there standard. I just personlized it. All the ones we got were black.

qqqqqq666 · 03-09-2005

@BQS4

Thanks for the pics. Well, either one will do. Whichever I'd find first. I wouldn't mind. I've also checked the German Ebay but the few I found will send them only within Germany. So, no good

heimue · 03-09-2005

Most of the sellers on German Ebay will ship to the States also - its just a matter of asking. I run into that problem all the time. Those guys over the ocean just never expect that somebody in the USA might be very interested to buy their parts, and so they only check the box for shipping to Germany or Europe only. I try to bid anyway, and if Ebay doesn't allow it (sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't) I send an email to the seller to please change the auction shipping information. I only had one case where the seller refused to do that - he just didn't want to...
Dieter

8an · 03-10-2005

Sorry, but referring to the pics above what exactly is the difference? I don't seem to spot it!

BQS4 · 03-10-2005

8an;
It's not the gauges that is being referred to, it's the actual panel itself. the left picture is of the panel the 71-73 Manta/Ascona and the right is of the 74-75

soybean · 03-10-2005

There were also some mounted on the A pillor (sp?) on the Rallyes, that had Air Conditioning. I've only seen one Rallye that was set up that way and it was at the Buick Dealership here in town a couple of months after I bought mine. I've never seen one again. Jarrell

RallyBob · 03-10-2005

Originally Posted by soybean

There were also some mounted on the A pillor (sp?) on the Rallyes, that had Air Conditioning. I've only seen one Rallye that was set up that way and it was at the Buick Dealership here in town a couple of months after I bought mine. I've never seen one again. Jarrell

Duane (Mantascona on these forums) has one of these in his Manta. Looks pretty cool. I have some pics of it if you want a reference.

Bob

jlthunder · 03-10-2005

Raylle Bob;

You are too quick. I was drafting a response concerning Duane's Manta when I saw your response.

BQS4 · 03-10-2005

Well, I know of two more, Todd Kirby (neuropel) has one on his high option 73 Manta Rallye, and Rodney Killingsworth (Killer TX GT) has one on a 75 Ascona Sedan he bought off another TX Opeler.

Paul · 03-11-2005

How does the early style gauge mound to the dash? I see how the later style mounts. The early style seems to have a countoured edge to fit moulding line of the dash. It seems the mounting screws go from inside the dash, outward into the gauge panel. Who can tell me if I'm right?

Thanks

tekenaar · 03-12-2005

Originally Posted by Paul

How does the early style gauge mound to the dash? I see how the later style mounts. The early style seems to have a countoured edge to fit moulding line of the dash. It seems the mounting screws go from inside the dash, outward into the gauge panel. Who can tell me if I'm right?

Thanks

Both mount in the same place on an Ascona, later style being more obvious with the ears and earlier? style mounting from the top, inside of dash under radio. The "contoured edge" model is the more elegant of the two, IMO, and is the one I used in my 1300 mile '75 1900. More difficult for the installer to mount and that's why I think they came out with the "eared", later? version.

tekenaar · 03-12-2005

Originally Posted by BQS4

qqqqqq666;
There's two styles of those gauge panels. the 71-73? had one I call the "early" style, and the 74-75 (late) had a different style (see neuropel's avatar). Both have the same set of gauges in them. Which style are you wanting?

Same type (ammeter, clock, OP), yes, but each "set" and their panel mount their individual gauges differently and gauges can only be used with their respective panels (i.e. are NOT interchangeable).

"Eared", late? panel uses "U" brackets and screw posts on back of gauges. "Contoured edge", early? panel has gauge mounting posts molded in at back of panel and uses gauges with metal "L" brackets rivetted to opposite sides of each gauge and screws to mount gauges, much like the GT's gauges.

Killer Texas GT · 03-12-2005

Originally Posted by BQS4

Well, I know of two more, Todd Kirby (neuropel) has one on his high option 73 Manta Rallye, and Rodney Killingsworth (Killer TX GT) has one on a 75 Ascona Sedan he bought off another TX Opeler.

I also have a set of gauges on my ($31.00) 73 Manta Rallye. The 75 Ascona Sedan was not purchased, it was free it also came with a 74 Ascona Sedan.
rk

Paul · 03-13-2005

So... someone correct me if I'm wrong.

To mount the early style rallye gauge set in a 75 Manta, I would have to: 1. remove stereo, 2. determine the proper location of the holes to be drilled; 3. install screws, from inside-out; 4. find a really short screw driver to tighten the screws... 5. wire up the gauges...

TIA

RallyBob · 03-14-2005

Found that pic of the vertical gauge panel installed in a Manta. This is from Duane's car.

BQS4 · 03-14-2005

Word of note here. This gauge panel, Bob has posted, is best used on the 71-73 dash. The 74-75 dash, you'd lose the use of the driver side fresh air vent.

tekenaar · 03-14-2005

Originally Posted by Paul

So... someone correct me if I'm wrong.

To mount the early style rallye gauge set in a 75 Manta, I would have to: 1. remove stereo, 2. determine the proper location of the holes to be drilled; 3. install screws, from inside-out; 4. find a really short screw driver to tighten the screws... 5. wire up the gauges...

TIA

True, but not really as hard as it seems. Position gauge panel where you want to mount it and mark panel mounting screw locations with pencil on the dash "ribs". Drill screw holes at marked locations in the center of the "ribs". Screw in from back side of dash with stubby Phillips AFTER mounting and wiring gauges in panel. That's it!

RallyBob · 03-14-2005

Originally Posted by BQS4

Word of note here. This gauge panel, Bob has posted, is best used on the 71-73 dash. The 74-75 dash, you'd lose the use of the driver side fresh air vent.

Gene, here are two options....

1. Leave it as is for air-cooled gauges....the rice boys will love it!

2. Leave one gauge out and install the dash vent in the gauge panel.

Bob

03-07-2005	#1 (permalink)
heimue "The Jägermeister" Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Newnan, GA - greater ATL area Posts: 1,157 Classified Rating: 0% (0)	Ascona Rallye Gauge Panels Questions regarding sport instrument panel (Rallye gauges): @qqqqqq666: have you checked on German ebay? The sport instrument panel for the Kadetts pop up every once in a while, although they are pretty rare even in Germany. I can imagine that you can get your Ascona parts as well. Dieter Mod Edit: This thread was split from another. Post edited to start new topic Last edited by Gary; 03-12-2005 at 11:24 AM.. Reason: Thread split-

03-08-2005	#3 (permalink)
qqqqqq666 Dr Opeler!!! Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Greece Posts: 21 Classified Rating: 0% (0)	@bqs4 I didn't know that. What are the differences of these two sets? neuropel's avatar is small and I can't see it well. If there are pictures of both I would like to have a look, but I don't thing I would mine having either one.

03-09-2005	#7 (permalink)
heimue "The Jägermeister" Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Newnan, GA - greater ATL area Posts: 1,157 Classified Rating: 0% (0)	German Ebay Most of the sellers on German Ebay will ship to the States also - its just a matter of asking. I run into that problem all the time. Those guys over the ocean just never expect that somebody in the USA might be very interested to buy their parts, and so they only check the box for shipping to Germany or Europe only. I try to bid anyway, and if Ebay doesn't allow it (sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't) I send an email to the seller to please change the auction shipping information. I only had one case where the seller refused to do that - he just didn't want to... Dieter

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Paul Member 1000 Post Club Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Ft Smith, Arkansas Posts: 1,364 Classified Rating: 0% (0)	Mounting differences How does the early style gauge mound to the dash? I see how the later style mounts. The early style seems to have a countoured edge to fit moulding line of the dash. It seems the mounting screws go from inside the dash, outward into the gauge panel. Who can tell me if I'm right? Thanks

03-07-2005	#2 (permalink)
BQS4 Southern Red Neck Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Snellville, GA Posts: 4,947 Classified Rating: 0% (0)	qqqqqq666; There's two styles of those gauge panels. the 71-73? had one I call the "early" style, and the 74-75 (late) had a different style (see neuropel's avatar). Both have the same set of gauges in them. Which style are you wanting?

03-08-2005	#4 (permalink)
BQS4 Southern Red Neck Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Snellville, GA Posts: 4,947 Classified Rating: 0% (0)	qqqqqq666; I'll post pics of both tonight, when I get home.

03-09-2005	#6 (permalink)
qqqqqq666 Dr Opeler!!! Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Greece Posts: 21 Classified Rating: 0% (0)	@BQS4 Thanks for the pics. Well, either one will do. Whichever I'd find first. I wouldn't mind. I've also checked the German Ebay but the few I found will send them only within Germany. So, no good

03-10-2005	#8 (permalink)
8an Opeler Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: it Posts: 6 Classified Rating: 0% (0)	Sorry, but referring to the pics above what exactly is the difference? I don't seem to spot it!

03-10-2005	#9 (permalink)
BQS4 Southern Red Neck Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Snellville, GA Posts: 4,947 Classified Rating: 0% (0)	8an; It's not the gauges that is being referred to, it's the actual panel itself. the left picture is of the panel the 71-73 Manta/Ascona and the right is of the 74-75

03-10-2005	#10 (permalink)
soybean Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Reidsville N.C. Posts: 2,160 Classified Rating: 0% (0)	There were also some mounted on the A pillor (sp?) on the Rallyes, that had Air Conditioning. I've only seen one Rallye that was set up that way and it was at the Buick Dealership here in town a couple of months after I bought mine. I've never seen one again. Jarrell

03-10-2005	#12 (permalink)
jlthunder 1000 Post Club Join Date: May 2003 Location: Salfordville, PA Posts: 1,825 Classified Rating: 0% (0)	Raylle Bob; You are too quick. I was drafting a response concerning Duane's Manta when I saw your response.

03-10-2005	#13 (permalink)
BQS4 Southern Red Neck Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Snellville, GA Posts: 4,947 Classified Rating: 0% (0)	Well, I know of two more, Todd Kirby (neuropel) has one on his high option 73 Manta Rallye, and Rodney Killingsworth (Killer TX GT) has one on a 75 Ascona Sedan he bought off another TX Opeler.

03-13-2005	#18 (permalink)
Paul Member 1000 Post Club Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Ft Smith, Arkansas Posts: 1,364 Classified Rating: 0% (0)	So... someone correct me if I'm wrong. To mount the early style rallye gauge set in a 75 Manta, I would have to: 1. remove stereo, 2. determine the proper location of the holes to be drilled; 3. install screws, from inside-out; 4. find a really short screw driver to tighten the screws... 5. wire up the gauges... TIA

03-14-2005	#20 (permalink)
BQS4 Southern Red Neck Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Snellville, GA Posts: 4,947 Classified Rating: 0% (0)	Word of note here. This gauge panel, Bob has posted, is best used on the 71-73 dash. The 74-75 dash, you'd lose the use of the driver side fresh air vent.