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    Stock Starter vs OGTS Starter

    Hey Folks, I recently purchased Gil's new starter from OGTS. I was experiencing
    some problems with my stock opel starter on my Manta, getting kinda sluggish
    and making a load noise as it engaged the flywheel. I had heard some really
    good comments, so I decided to order one and try it out.

    It took twice as long to remove the stock starter as it did replacing with the new
    one, but the big difference I noticed when I upacked it, was the weight of this
    thing. I was shocked at how much lighter it is than stock. Don't know for sure
    but it felt like about half the weight.

    The real test came when I cranked it......my engine has never started so
    quickly and strong...(grinning ear to ear)...I believe this new starter could crank
    a diesel with no problem!!! I would HIGHLY recommend it those having starter
    problems with the opel starters, in cranking the engine. The cost is very fair for
    what you will get...Thanks, Gil

    By the way, I'm running a kinda stock 1.9 engine.

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    Thanks for passing that info along. I was just recently musing about the weight of the Opel starter.

    On a related note; the new OGTS website looks great. I just popped over to look at the price of these starters. Very slick now.
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    That looks like a 2.4L starter. It's the starter everyone was looking for a year ago.

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    I'm going to pile on to Steve's comments - wow! What a difference. Installed the new starter in our GT. The old one worked but hot starts were a pain and just listening to the grind and slow start was sometimes painful.

    First touch of key, vrooom, never had it start so good. Works better and just added lightness.


    Thanks OGTS for offering these starters.
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    I got one of these a few months back, way better than the stock one. No more dragging or crossing the fingers hoping it starts. Definitely recommend buying one of these if you're in the market.
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    I've kind of grown fond of the sound of the stock Opel starter, except that now that I know that there's high current going through the ignition switch I imagine the contact points on the switch arcing as the starter spins, lol. Gotta make that relay mod!

    Funny how us gearheads can tell the make of car just by the sound of the starter. My girlfriend and I were walking our dogs a few weeks ago and heard a car starter cranking. It was out of our view, as we were approaching from the side of the garage, and I said "sounds like a Jeep". She was amazed when a Jeep backed out of the garage, and now she thinks I must be a complete car geek, which I guess I am. Could have been a Rambler too, but there aren't many of them around any more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dale .D View Post
    Remember the old Dodges . Rititititit
    Yes... definitely one of the most distinctive starters!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dale .D View Post
    Remember the old Dodges . Rititititit
    Do you mean this sound at 0:05-0:07 seconds of this old Carly Simon video? You have to turn the sound up. Why I remember this?? I don't know

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    Installed One Today

    Outstanding, it starts like a modern car now!!!

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    I have also installed the new OGTS starter and I love it; very powerful, quick; it makes a different sound a kind of high pitch noise. I am having a problem though, with the electrical connection. I have installed an OTTO start and somehow I connected in a way that the light on the ammeter is always on, it shows as not charging. But again I love the starter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alolmo View Post
    I have also installed the new OGTS starter and I love it; very powerful, quick; it makes a different sound a kind of high pitch noise. I am having a problem though, with the electrical connection. I have installed an OTTO start and somehow I connected in a way that the light on the ammeter is always on, it shows as not charging. But again I love the starter.
    You might want to replace your fusible link at the starter and check the other ones(by the alternator). The wire may of broken internally and the only thing holding it together is the insulation on the wire. This happened to me. A new wire and all was good. Remember, these wires are over 40 yrs old.
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    The 2.0L was going to get that upgrade..

    until I had to update some EFI Components :banghead:

    Loss of voltage during cranking was one of the things that I had considered was causing my no start..
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    Quote Originally Posted by jlthunder View Post
    You might want to replace your fusible link at the starter and check the other ones(by the alternator). The wire may of broken internally and the only thing holding it together is the insulation on the wire. This happened to me. A new wire and all was good. Remember, these wires are over 40 yrs old.
    I'm thinking that if my fusible link was bad or any of the other wires for that mater, I wouldn't have good power to the starter. My starter gets plenty of juice, is just that light at the gauge wont go off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alolmo View Post
    I'm thinking that if my fusible link was bad or any of the other wires for that mater, I wouldn't have good power to the starter. My starter gets plenty of juice, is just that light at the gauge wont go off.
    The fusable link comes off of the starter at the main terminal where the large + battery line connects to the starter. The starter will spin just fine without the fusable link.
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    I was recently having issues with my stock starter. Solinoid was going bad and I had to tap on it with a screw driver while turning the key to get it to crank. Worked ok like that but it was only a matter of time before no amount of tapping was going to get it to go so I purchased one of these OGTS starters. Installed it and it worked great for a couple weeks. Then I went to start the car and the starter engaged for a split second and then disengaged from the flywheel but continued to spin. It kept spinning even with the key off and spun right up until I disconnected the battery. I have no relay wired in to protect my ignition switch. The ignition switch itself was rebuilt a couple years ago by OGTS and checked out ok by ohm test... Every time the battery is reconnected it started spinning again. I went as far as to completely disconnect all steering coulmn wiring at the main fuse block but the starter still kicked on when I hooked the battery back up. Did I get a dud? Any ideas?

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    Quote Originally Posted by matl59 View Post
    I was recently having issues with my stock starter. Solinoid was going bad and I had to tap on it with a screw driver while turning the key to get it to crank. Worked ok like that but it was only a matter of time before no amount of tapping was going to get it to go so I purchased one of these OGTS starters. Installed it and it worked great for a couple weeks. Then I went to start the car and the starter engaged for a split second and then disengaged from the flywheel but continued to spin. It kept spinning even with the key off and spun right up until I disconnected the battery. I have no relay wired in to protect my ignition switch. The ignition switch itself was rebuilt a couple years ago by OGTS and checked out ok by ohm test... Every time the battery is reconnected it started spinning again. I went as far as to completely disconnect all steering coulmn wiring at the main fuse block but the starter still kicked on when I hooked the battery back up. Did I get a dud? Any ideas?
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    Quote Originally Posted by matl59 View Post
    I was recently having issues with my stock starter. Solinoid was going bad and I had to tap on it with a screw driver while turning the key to get it to crank. Worked ok like that but it was only a matter of time before no amount of tapping was going to get it to go so I purchased one of these OGTS starters. Installed it and it worked great for a couple weeks. Then I went to start the car and the starter engaged for a split second and then disengaged from the flywheel but continued to spin. It kept spinning even with the key off and spun right up until I disconnected the battery. I have no relay wired in to protect my ignition switch. The ignition switch itself was rebuilt a couple years ago by OGTS and checked out ok by ohm test... Every time the battery is reconnected it started spinning again. I went as far as to completely disconnect all steering coulmn wiring at the main fuse block but the starter still kicked on when I hooked the battery back up. Did I get a dud? Any ideas?
    Matt,
    I had the same issue when I purchased my OGTS starter, except this behavior happened within the 1st few starts. I talked to Gil, he sent me a new one right away & I sent him back the bad one.

    Jim

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    Quote Originally Posted by matl59 View Post
    ... Any ideas?
    Sprag came apart in the bendix..locking the solenoid would be my guess.

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    I recently have had some issues with the new starters, some have required shimming. Also make sure the surface the starter bolts into is good bare metal for grounding purposes.
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