T-5 interest

[Hiro]

Originally Posted by RallyBob Hiro, the World Class is strong enough for almost anything. I intend, eventually, to install the G-Force T5 upgrade kit in my turbo Manta, which will be about $2500 with a used case, fully assembled. Specs here. But this is for close ratio, straight-cut, dog engagement, with the optional .90 O/D. For racing, this is ideal and is much cheaper than Quaife in the US! Bob

whao that's a super hightec combo!
unfortunately that's too expensive for me,
all I need is something upto about 30-32 mkg (220-230 lb ft) with close ratio gears.
my race conditions are not harsh for the tranny:
as we are the "bad boy racers" we are usually not allowed to start from the grid at standstill anymore,
we had too many huge crashed within the first few seconds upon launch...
now we start the race from a rolling launch in 2nd gear at about 80km/h,
that's OK even with the G240 on my 2.5 CIH.
Hiro

[RallyBob]

Originally Posted by oldopelguy That's exactly why I wouldn't run one of those myself Bob. For that much $ I can almost get a new Richmond ROD 6-speed. They run just at $3000, brand new with nearly any combination of gears you want, and a very conservative 450ft-lb torque rating. If you don't really need the OD, their 5-speeds are bulletproof and under $2k. They would also bolt to the adapter I'm making for the t-5. Check it out here: http://www.richmondgear.com/01pdfs/pages20-24.pdf

I looked into the Richmonds, but they weigh a lot more, and the ratios they offer are not nearly as good for racing, too far a spread. Plus they are helical-cut (straight cut will transfer more power to the rear axle, plus sounds so cool...), and the engagement is via dogs rather than syncromesh. So shifting clutchless is just fine, which is what I need for racing. The G-Force T5 is good for 600 ft lbs, so it's a bit overkill! I can get it with a new casing for a few hundred more, but a used casing is fine with me as long as all the internals are new.

I also prefer an internal shifter, which the Richmond does not have.

Just my reasoning for my choice!

[neuropel]

To Hiro's point, just how much can you build up a non-world class T5? You can definitely fit the NWC S10 T5 tail housing to a Mustang WC T5. Here's a link with a picture:

http://www.ford-trucks.com/user_gall...131613&width=0

Wondering if the mounting is different between the WC and NWC T5?

Todd

[namba209]

Todd, that link doesn't work, I'm guessing the IP from this site is the culprit, it thinks I'm a spider, or a web crawler. But to answer your question, I think all the outer casings, whatever configuration, should bolt up together. I've seen the pics of an S-10 tailshaft housig bolt up to a Camaro WC tranny also. It's the link I posted earlier.

Hiro, from a rollng start at 50MPH, the S-10 tranny should hold up nicely. I'm taking it real easy in low gear, all the torque I've got, according to Rally Bob, could shear the splines on the torque tube shaft, but once in 2nd and I stand on the gas, it really moves out with my V-6, and I'm putting out 160 advertised HP and 200 Lbs of torque.

[neuropel]

Ron,
Hopefully the link will work this time?
Ford Truck Enthusiasts User Gallery

It will take you to a user on that site that has gone through mating the S10 T5 tail housing to WC Mustang T5. The reason this is of interest to me is that if the bolt pattern is the same between the WC and NWC T5, then the Chevette bellhousing I have (which has the Ford bolt pattern) could allow me to install a WC T5 to the Opel block.

Again, just kicking ideas around. If someone shoots it down, at least we'll learn something!

Todd

[Hiro]

Originally Posted by namba209 Hiro, from a rollng start at 50MPH, the S-10 tranny should hold up nicely. I'm taking it real easy in low gear, all the torque I've got, according to Rally Bob, could shear the splines on the torque tube shaft, but once in 2nd and I stand on the gas, it really moves out with my V-6, and I'm putting out 160 advertised HP and 200 Lbs of torque.

yes I think I will try this S10 tranny,
another issue for me is the shipping weight,
I guess I'll need to have bits shipped separately,
so I have to make sure what parts I need to fit into my KadettC.
Hiro

[Hiro]

Originally Posted by neuropel Ron, Hopefully the link will work this time? Ford Truck Enthusiasts User Gallery It will take you to a user on that site that has gone through mating the S10 T5 tail housing to WC Mustang T5. The reason this is of interest to me is that if the bolt pattern is the same between the WC and NWC T5, then the Chevette bellhousing I have (which has the Ford bolt pattern) could allow me to install a WC T5 to the Opel block. Again, just kicking ideas around. If someone shoots it down, at least we'll learn something! Todd

thanks for the link Todd,
lots of possible combos indeed with this tranny!
Hiro

[RallyBob]

Originally Posted by namba209 I'm taking it real easy in low gear, all the torque I've got, according to Rally Bob, could shear the splines on the torque tube shaft, but once in 2nd and I stand on the gas, it really moves out with my V-6, and I'm putting out 160 advertised HP and 200 Lbs of torque.

I think that as long as you are running narrow 13" tires this won't be an issue. You'll smoke those suckers up like nothing! It's if/when you get traction I'd be concerned.

[opelbits]

Originally Posted by Hiro yes I think I will try this S10 tranny, another issue for me is the shipping weight, I guess I'll need to have bits shipped separately, so I have to make sure what parts I need to fit into my KadettC. Hiro

Have you checked around on your side of the Atlantic for the T5s? Maybe in the Ford Sierra range? I'm not sure what they used in the UK or Germany with the turbo fours and V6's.

[namba209]

Originally Posted by RallyBob I think that as long as you are running narrow 13" tires this won't be an issue. You'll smoke those suckers up like nothing! It's if/when you get traction I'd be concerned.

Bob, I'm runnning Sumitomo 205 X 60s with 6" and 6.5" wide wheels with about 6"-7" of tread ON the ground,.It has more traction I believe than the monza does. So I'm taking it easy in low tooth, just to be on the safe side.

[baz]

Originally Posted by opelbits Have you checked around on your side of the Atlantic for the T5s? Maybe in the Ford Sierra range? I'm not sure what they used in the UK or Germany with the turbo fours and V6's.

sierra cossy turbos have the world class T5 in iirc the V6's have depending on age a 4 speed heavy casting ford box , the type 9 5 speed (iffy at best with the torque of the V6) or the MT75 box , a stronger version of this is used in the Scorpio 24V cosworth engined cars but its also weak for use over 200 bhp and 200 lb ft of torque

[opelbits]

Hey Baz-

Ever see any XR8's in your neck of the hemisphere? If you aren't familiar with them, it's the Sierra (four doors and trunk) with the 5.0 v8. Mainly a South African product, but I hear a few came your way. Not sure of the trans, might only be auto.

[Ricky Slade]

The first T-5 five speeds were introduced in 1982. The T-5 is the only American made standard trans to span almost 20 yrs. two basic kinds of T-5 are NWC and WC 83 and 84 used Non World Class T-5. They had 2.95 first gear set with 1st 2nd and 3rd gears riding on a solid output shaft. The counter gears spin on straight cylindrical bearings with a thrust washer in front. fourth and fifth gears used solid bronze syncros. Torque rating for NWC was 265ft/lbs. 1985 T-5 was introduced as World Class and came with a 3.35 first gear. No longer were 1,2 and 3 spinning on a solid output shaft. Needle bearings were installed under each gear to reduce drag. The lower counter gears saw tapered bearings. All main shaft syncros were fiber lined steel rings. Note torque remained the same at 265ft/lbs. for both the NWC and WC. 1990 to 93 WC T-5 was upgrade with a stronger 3.35 gear set The nickel content was increased. This models torque rating increased then to 310 ft/lbs. due to 2nd and 3rd gear ratios being decreased slightly. Syncro assemblies were carbon fiber. 1994 and 95 were the last years Ford used T-5's behing V-8's. Some of the later model Mustang v-6's used the T-5 however with an electronic speedo. There was also a T-5 used behind some four cylinder engines. Four cylinder T-5 should not be confused with the others. Most four cylinder T-5 used a 3.97 first gear. also only good for 240 ft/lbs torque. One little note, in1993 some T-5's met a "Z" spec of 330 ft/lbs and up to 450 ft/lbs if not drag raced. Just for the Record

[baz]

Originally Posted by opelbits Hey Baz- Ever see any XR8's in your neck of the hemisphere? If you aren't familiar with them, it's the Sierra (four doors and trunk) with the 5.0 v8. Mainly a South African product, but I hear a few came your way. Not sure of the trans, might only be auto.

never sold here ,at the time of the sierra there was a full trade embargo here with south africa over the treatment of blacks there so we got none of there cars and they were supposed to get none of ours

i have seen 2 sierras made to XR8 spec and loads made to XR6 (merkur TI Merkur - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ) before we got the 2.8 and 2.9 sierra and thought about doing it to mine right up till 18 month ago when i sold it

mine when i first got it
http://www.opelgt.com/photos/showpho...3/ppuser/12504

[Phoenix]

Car-part.com has 4 yards selling just the 5 speed bellhousing for Chevettes. 1 has it for $50, the others are call for priceing.

[Hiro]

Originally Posted by opelbits Have you checked around on your side of the Atlantic for the T5s? Maybe in the Ford Sierra range? I'm not sure what they used in the UK or Germany with the turbo fours and V6's.

not checked on this side yet,
thanks for the info I'll have a look.
Hiro

[Hiro]

Originally Posted by baz sierra cossy turbos have the world class T5 in iirc the V6's have depending on age a 4 speed heavy casting ford box , the type 9 5 speed (iffy at best with the torque of the V6) or the MT75 box , a stronger version of this is used in the Scorpio 24V cosworth engined cars but its also weak for use over 200 bhp and 200 lb ft of torque

hum... not a lot of Sierra Cossy turbo here in France,
but worth asking anyway...
thanks!
Hiro

[opelbits]

Hiro-

You might also check with your friendly local US servicemen. They quite often drag their cars around with them and can get great deals on shipping stuff over thru the military.

[baz]

not in france if i remember right

i dont think theres been a US base there since de gaulle or even before that

any ho hows the deal going stephen any numbers worked out yet ?

( sop to mods to keep thread on topic )

[cherokee]

Any update on how the plates are coming along?