Getrag 240 Question

[jpt36]

i had been reading several posts and and now i am still confused
does the getrag 240 or 260 has to be from a german car.
or can i get it from a regular 83/84 318i bmw from usa?

i went to junk yard last week and found a 92 318i with 5 speed tranny
that masure the same lenght as opel , about 21 or 22 inches
i was wondering if this will work , or again does it has to be a german car?

thanks for all help

[opelwasp]

The Getrag 240 uses an integrated bell-housing. The 240 case is designed to fit each particular model of vehicle/engine. Only a Getrag 240 designed and manufactured to fit an Opel drive train will fit an Opel. The BMW will only fit a BMW. And no they cannot be converted. Only the gearing inside are the same.

[dallasmanta]

Opel Getrag 5 Speed Transmission | eBay

On ebay right now un modified in so cal.... Ron

[snemand]

Wow! Is that the price? Or where do they usually end up?

[dallasmanta]

there was a sale within the past two weeks also from California of another 5 speed unit with out the shifter and shifter bracket . It sold for just under $800. It was painted Red/ orange Ron

[snemand]

Well 800 usd is very expensive for a Getrag 240.

When the last of the rearwheeldrive Opel's stopped production around 1980, the Manta surprisingly got a facelift and continued production for another 8 years.

This facelift involved the Getrag 240 gearbox, so thousands of these lie around everywhere and are generally not considered much of value.

It's a fine gearbox, but no spares available, so cannot be repaired. And it has a general fault of rattling in neutral.

And one more thing: Of course you can convert a Getrag 240 gearbox from a BMW to the Opel CIH-engine. It just takes a machineshop with the proper guys who can do make a template for welding together the sawn off housings.

It is quite common with the Getrag 265 box from a BMW M3 with the sportstransmission. Because this is a proper racingtransmission with straight fifth and close-ratio gears. And the 265 is a quite different beast that can take the torque from a high-performance engine.

Also i've seen Toyota AE86 gearboxes converted to the small OHV 1,0 - 1,1 - 1, ltr engines.

[ggl]

Well 800 usd is very expensive for a Getrag 240.

They go for 100 - 200 dollars in Sweden, there's one on the Swedish Opel Sport forum right now for around 300 dollars, comes with a 2.2i engine complete with all the electric bits

When the last of the rearwheeldrive Opel's stopped production around 1980, the Manta surprisingly got a facelift and continued production for another 8 years.

This facelift involved the Getrag 240 gearbox, so thousands of these lie around everywhere and are generally not considered much of value.

It also lived on in the Opel Rekord E for a number of years

And one more thing: Of course you can convert a Getrag 240 gearbox from a BMW to the Opel CIH-engine. It just takes a machineshop with the proper guys who can do make a template for welding together the sawn off housings.

It is quite common with the Getrag 265 box from a BMW M3 with the sportstransmission. Because this is a proper racingtransmission with straight fifth and close-ratio gears. And the 265 is a quite different beast that can take the torque from a high-performance engine.

The 265 is also different in that it has a separate bell housing .....

[enu]

This facelift involved the Getrag 240 gearbox, so thousands of these lie around everywhere and are generally not considered much of value.

It's a fine gearbox, but no spares available, so cannot be repaired. And it has a general fault of rattling in neutral.

you guys are makeing no sence you say there not fix able but the other post says thay are

here is the other poat

The Getrag 240 uses an integrated bell-housing. The 240 case is designed to fit each particular model of vehicle/engine. Only a Getrag 240 designed and manufactured to fit an Opel drive train will fit an Opel. The BMW will only fit a BMW. And no they cannot be converted. Only the gearing inside are the same.

so now whay cant some one get the tranny and get this one and swap parts that is needed this is confusing so witch one is it

please go in to detail ? thanks pat

[ggl]

you guys are makeing no sence you say there not fix able but the other post says thay are

The Getrag 240 uses an integrated bell-housing. The 240 case is designed to fit each particular model of vehicle/engine. Only a Getrag 240 designed and manufactured to fit an Opel drive train will fit an Opel. The BMW will only fit a BMW. And no they cannot be converted. Only the gearing inside are the same.

so now what cant some one get the tranny and get this one and swap parts that is need did this is confusing so witch one is it

please go in to detail thanks pat

With "unlimited" time and money you can do anything, yes you can convert a BMW Getrag to fit an Opel but it's probably more cost effective to buy one that fits an Opel from OGTS or similar places.

[enu]

With "unlimited" time and money you can do anything, yes you can convert a BMW Getrag to fit an Opel but it's probably more cost effective to buy one that fits an Opel from OGTS or similar places.

what i was aksing is whay cant you use the gears and things like that to fix the other tranny was the qustion i was saying one says you can and one says you cant am not saying about that up there i was saying if you ever have to bebuiled it whay cant you use the parts since there the same inside ?

what i gess am trying to point out is what is being said is comflicking info

[dallasmanta]

Pat,

it is real simple:
The BMW version has a one piece bell housing that only fits the bmw engine.
The Opel version has a bell housing that only fits the CIH engine.]
Now:
The guts are mostly the same in either version with some minor differences.

If you had an Opel 240 that needs fixing like seals, bearings etc You can go to the BMW dealership and order repair parts. You will have to take in the Opel parts to see what matches by physically checking the parts.
I do not know if there is a single kit from BMW to rebuild the 240. If there is one some of the parts may not interchange.
BMW would sell rebuilt 240 on an exchange basis. They discourage a DYI rebuild as it takes special tools and know how to rebuild one.

As far as the BMW 265 5 speed it is built for 6 cylinder engines that have more power and more torque. They can be adapted to fit Opels' but will take work.

Hope this helps Ron

[enu]

Pat,

it is real simple:
The BMW version has a one piece bell housing that only fits the bmw engine.
The Opel version has a bell housing that only fits the CIH engine.]
Now:
The guts are mostly the same in either version with some minor differences.

If you had an Opel 240 that needs fixing like seals, bearings etc You can go to the BMW dealership and order repair parts. You will have to take in the Opel parts to see what matches by physically checking the parts.
I do not know if there is a single kit from BMW to rebuild the 240. If there is one some of the parts may not interchange.
BMW would sell rebuilt 240 on an exchange basis. They discourage a DYI rebuild as it takes special tools and know how to rebuild one.

As far as the BMW 265 5 speed it is built for 6 cylinder engines that have more power and more torque. They can be adapted to fit Opels' but will take work.

Hope this helps Ron

rebuiling tranny's is ez
i do not now if the pics are up there i have still in 24 year deram i think it is page 5 or so

http://www.opelgt.com/forums/member-...es-true-5.html

the hardset thing is geting the gears apart and rembering the way it all goes to gather other then thay cake work
transfer case ez too breez

for some one that never did one be for just have fath and take a lot of pic if you are ever unsure go to your pics to help you rember and get info on gap size with fealer gages
trannys are not as hard as you think thay are just a lot of parts i gess mabe for me thay are ez worked at a tranny shop and a bunch of other motor shops growing up

yes it helps a little thanks pat

[snemand]

Here's a nice pic of a converted Getrag 265

[enu]

Here's a nice pic of a converted Getrag 265

what was the cost to have that dune ?
what bell lip plate did you use ?
nice work clean the way it is to be verry nice

[ggl]

Here's a nice pic of a converted Getrag 265

That's the first 262/265 with a fixed bell housing I've ever seen, are you sure it's not a 260 ?

E30 M3 Getrag 265 Rebuild Photo Gallery by Victor Hall at pbase.com

[DennisGardiner]

Opel Getrag 5 Speed Transmission | eBay

On ebay right now un modified in so cal.... Ron

Definitely a great price (before bidding wars begin) on a 240 CIH Getrag, 'with linkage'!

This gear box will bolt to the 1.9 through 2.4L CIH Opel engines.

[heimue]

Here's a nice pic of a converted Getrag 265

I don't know what exactly it is in your picture, but a Getrag 265 with CIH bell housing looks like this:

Dieter

[RallyBob]

I don't know what exactly it is in your picture, but a Getrag 265 with CIH bell housing looks like this:

Dieter

And the Getrag 265 shift 'tower' is cast iron isolated with a rubber block, not stamped steel like the 240.

[snemand]

Random picture. Just to show the principle, that it is possible to cut and weld the gearbox with the clutchhousing

[kwilford]

i had been reading several posts and and now i am still confused
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Well 800 usd is very expensive for a Getrag 240.
... thousands of these lie around everywhere and are generally not considered much of value.

Please understand that European members have much different experiences with parts availability that North American members, and the vast majority of members here on OGT.com live in North America. Of 103,000 Opel GT's built, over 80% ended up in North America. But very few Opels after 1976 made their way to America. A solution readily available in Europe is often simply impractical here, as Euro parts and cars can't be found locally, and the cost and logistics of shipping from Europe are prohibitive.