Comment: New Destec Wiring Diagrams

[Gary]

JJ Wheatley of DESTEC fame has listed Rev. "M" of his GT wiring diagrams on ebay

[Turbo X]

I think $9.95 shipping is a little steep on top of the $25 +....

[hrcollinsjr]

Originally Posted by Turbo X I think $9.95 shipping is a little steep on top of the $25 +....

I agree about the shipping, but when you think about it he is buying the mailing tube and possibly having to deliver the diagram to the PO at today's gas prices. Save money like I did when I bought mine from him, I bought two!

Harold

[Gary]

Originally Posted by Turbo X I think $9.95 shipping is a little steep on top of the $25 +....

True, but if you are having any electrical problems it can be a huge time saver. It is so much clearer than the factory one, the fixes/tips he includes on it are great and it's laminated (must cost several bucks for that) so you can mark it up with a dry erase marker.

[tomking]

While shipping and mailing costs have gone up JJ's price has not. It is still WELL worth the cost.

[N61WP]

Besides that, the job he did drawing it is true art.

I have mine in a poster frame hanging on the garage wall!

Stays clean that way too.

Jc

[DESTEC]

that’s shipping and HANDLING; which includes but is not limited to
$2.11 for Staples mailing tube.
$1.98 (and going up May 12th) Postage
$6.36 for Kinkos to laminate it
gas, ink, paper, and listing fees, and paypal takes 1.5% too. so fees actually are around $12.00 so I eat three bucks. If you can’t afford it, don’t buy it.

[hrcollinsjr]

Originally Posted by DESTEC If you can’t afford it, don’t buy it.

Once you see how much work he has put into the diagram you'll understand why he sounds a little annoyed at people quibbling over his prices. Maybe he should lower his shipping prices and just up his price on the diagram itself. If you do much wiring it's worth the money PERIOD! Now if we could just get him to do one for the Ascona's, Manta's and maybe even one for the Kadett folks.

Harold

[Phoenix]

6-10 bucks is pretty standard for ebay shipping on something that is comparable to a poster.

Just a note, ebay forbids passing paypal fees on to the buyer though a lot of people do it, I wouldn't say that I do it. My shipping is VERY close to actual shipping, no packaging materials, gas, or handling included. I custom cut boxes that I get from my work, and the PO is only about 2 miles from my house, one stop light. People do factor shipping into who they buy from and sometimes will bid less if the shipping is a little higher.

JJ- One question. You used to say that your diagrams came with free tech support from you to help iron out wiring problems. Is that still included because I don't see it in the auction?

[madhatterpdc]

The alternative is that JJ simply doesn't offer them for sale at all. Last I checked, he was more or less doing this as a hobby and it was contributing to the community by offering this helpful tool to the rest of the group.

If you need the item, buy it. If it makes more sense for you, consider the shipping to be $5 and the item price to be $30.

[West Coast GT]

Originally Posted by DESTEC If you can’t afford it, don’t buy it.

Well stated. I not sure, but I don't seem to recall anyone on this forum having been required to purchase your diagram. Let me know if I'm wrong on this point.
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[namba209]

Originally Posted by West Coast GT Well stated. I not sure, but I don't seem to recall anyone on this forum having been required to purchase your diagram. Let me know if I'm wrong on this point.

A requirement? Not at all. But it's in the same category of doing a teardown of an engine with only wrenchs, when a ratchet and sockets makes it so much easier and faster. I used JJ's work of art exclusivly when I integrated the V-6 wiring to Willit? After seeing and using it, I became spoiled looking for the clarity and simplicity of his schematic to others I've had to get to finish the integration. I've used his schematic to help others with electrical problems on their cars over the years and I can say without a doubt it is one of the most used tools I have. A little frayed around the edges on both of mine, but still works of art and very functional.

[West Coast GT]

Namba209,
I was just being facetious about the “requirement”.

Although I haven't purchased one myself, I'm really thinking of doing so. I especially like Nwp61's idea of framing it in the garage.

[namba209]

No problem, point taken in the context given. I was only extolling the virtues of having one. I've got one in the garage, held to the freezer door with magnetic strips and the other laying up against the wall in the house, just so that when a question comes up about wiring or electrical problems, I can get the info needed without going from one computer to the other. By all means, get one, it has been invaluable to me, for the reasons stated earlier.

[Gary]

I have one in the garage and one (somewhere) next to my PC for quick online answers.

@JJ - You can list them on our ad board for no fee.

[DESTEC]

Phoenix, yes it still comes with free tech support; I will always try to help you solve your electrical problems by phone or email if possible (meaning esp troubleshooting is sometimes tougher that if I were to work on your car myself). So does it really matter if I add to the cost of the Poster and take away the same amount from shipping (and handling); methinks not.

Gary, thanks for the reminder, I should do that one of these days.

[Sparky73]

What year is the diagram specifically for? I know there are some changes between the years.. mainly the early GT's and the 1973's.

[hrcollinsjr]

Originally Posted by DESTEC So does it really matter if I add to the cost of the Poster and take away the same amount from shipping (and handling); methinks not. Gary, thanks for the reminder, I should do that one of these days.

Your diagram is a good deal no doubt. I purchased several to save on shipping a few years ago and shared them at cost with fellow Opelers at Charlotte. Someone not in the group saw my diagram and wanted to know where I got it from as they wanted one for there non Opel. So if JJ wants to go into business making them for other cars he probably could!

JJ by all means advertise your poster and price them where you can make a little.

Harold

[Dennis Texas]

just an opinion and like everything we all have one....he could put it an PDF file and download for much cheaper price for us if he wanted to. Enough said.

[hrcollinsjr]

Originally Posted by Dennis Texas just an opinion and like everything we all have one....he could put it an PDF file and download for much cheaper price for us if he wanted to. Enough said.

JJ did the work and has made several revisions and tech tips, this is akin to copyright infringement. I wouldn't dare touch this one with YOUR ten foot pole. SERIOUSLY!!!

Of course we can always tick JJ off and he'll quit making them and then my spare will be worth lots of money!


Harold

[opelwasp]

Originally Posted by Dennis Texas just an opinion and like everything we all have one....he could put it an PDF file and download for much cheaper price for us if he wanted to. Enough said.

Of course if he did that, then people would share it online for free and he would make nothing. Screw that.

I might just have to get a new one now that the version is up to "M". I have version "H" or lower.

[namba209]

Last year, when JJ was here visiting, I asked him, if, during response to an electrical problem, on this site, if I could scan a portion of his artwork to help the person with the problem. He was symapthetic in his response but requested I did not do that. He did not mind that I used his schematic in the troublshooting that I was doing, using it, but said that in response to recent posts on the site, his copyright would be compormised. I can fully relate to that, and have, numerous times in the past, on this site, heavily touted his schematic and still do. By all means, if you don't have one get one.

[BDD]

If someone else wanted to sell or even distribute wiring diagrams they would have to create their own and sell that or use the factory one.

Was there an answer about which year the Destec wiring diagram is for? I have a 72 GT and I think that wiring is different from that of a 73 I used to own. I need something that will be accurate for my current car.

Also, what is different about version M? Does it read more clearly or have different text font or....?

[Sparky73]

Whether you think the price is too high or just right.. like any 'part' that is produced, it takes lots of time and/or money to make it and make it right! He could charge $15 shipped, and people could still complain about the price.. after all, to them it is just a laminated piece of paper. If the price is too steep, the wiring diagrams are available online and on this site. JJ has copyright of the product, and he is the only one, that I know of, that produces a wiring diagram with that amount of detail. Trust me, the price is well worth the stress when trying to re-wire a GT. I currently do not own one, but have seen a couple in person and they are Grade-A. I may bid on the auction.. but if not I definitely plan on purchasing one very soon. As my restoration continues.. wiring will be coming up sometime this year.

Also, any information on the years?

[hrcollinsjr]

Originally Posted by Sparky73 I may bid on the auction.. but if not I definitely plan on purchasing one very soon.

Why bid on his auction? It's going to cost you the same. Buy directly from him so eBay won't get their cut! The only people that know about the diagram are those that see it on eBay and this site.

Harold