Model 95 or 99 Kadett Sport Coupe?

[tekenaar]

I've run into a couple of anomalies in the listing of two specific Kadett model numbers and their descriptions and have pretty much exhausted my resources trying to verify their actual use, or not.

The Kadett LS Sport Coupe is listed in various Opel tech pubs for 1968 as a Model 99, and for 1969/70 as a Model 95. The problem is that I've never actually seen either of these model numbers used as the first 2 digits of any Sport Coupe VIN number, it's always Model 92, same as that of the Rallye or L Sport Coupe!

My '69 Kadett LS has a VIN 92******* and I don't think it's the anomaly, but rather the norm! So, anyone here either own or ever seen anything other than a Model 92 (VIN 92x.......x) Kadett L/LS/Rallye Sport Coupe?!

[opelbits]

I just checked the 70 Rallye I have. It's a 92.

[opelspyder]

My Kadett LS VIN starts with 92 as well, same as the Rallye. I questioned this as well when purchasing my car and realizing the VIN started with that. I then check the Opel Chassis and Body parts catalog. In the model chart it lists as such for 1969:

1969 92 (95) 2 Door Coupe - Super Deluxe and even states the chassis numbers will start with *92---------
What is funny is in 1970 the Kadett Rallye -still model 92, its VIN may start with 95

You are correct in stating that your LS is a model 92, I believe the catalog made changes as well and instead of giving them the same model number the LS and the Rallye, they just made the LS model 95.

Thats at least what I have gathered.
Keith

[Opelmn70]

Although I may be out there, the 70 Kadett 2 dr. sport sedan that I have VIN starts with 919..... the 69 Kadett Rallye starts with 92 however.

[tekenaar]

Originally Posted by Opelmn70 Although I may be out there, the 70 Kadett 2 dr. sport sedan that I have VIN starts with 919..... the 69 Kadett Rallye starts with 92 however.

You're absolutely correct but overlooked one tiny Opel naming detail . . . the Kadett 2 Dr. Sport Sedan is indeed a Model 91, but the 2 Dr. Sport Coupe is a Model 92 in all its incarnations - L, LS and Rallye! . . . and I still have not seen or heard of anyone actually having either a Model 95 or 99, a 2 Dr. Sport Coupe L or LS.

. . . and BTW, the Model 91 Sport Sedan has a convex rear window while the Model 92 Sport Coupe in all its iterations has a concave rear window . . . that's the quickest and easiest way to distinguish them visually!

[OpelGT-de]

FYI



Typ 31: 2-door sedan, 66 till 73, Edition XE ("Preisboxer" or"Export" ), Grand Prix and Holiday Sport, and Holiday for Export
Typ 32: Coupé ("Kieme"), 66 till 70, from 11/66 Rallye
Typ 33: 5-door wagon, 68 till 73
Typ 34: 3-door wagon 66 till 73
Typ 35: 5-door wagon Luxus, 68 till 70
Typ 36: 4-door sedan, 66 till 73, Edition XE and Holiday for Export
Typ 37: 4-door sedan Luxus, 66 till 73
Typ 38: 2-door sedan Luxus, 66 till 73, Edition Festival and Holiday
Typ 39: 3-door wagon, 66 till 73
Typ 91: 2-door sedan Luxus Fastback, 68 till 70
Typ 92: Coupé Fastback, 68 till 73, incl Rallye and Festival
Typ 95: Coupé Fastback Luxus, for NA, 68 till 72
Typ 96: 4-door sedan Luxus Fastback, 68 till 70
Typ 97: Olympia Version 4-door fastback sedan, 68 till 70
Typ 98: Olympia Version 2-door fastback sedan, 68 till 70
Typ 99: Olympia Version Coupé, 68 bis 70

[tekenaar]

Originally Posted by OpelGT-de FYI Typ 31: 2-door sedan, 66 till 73, Edition XE ("Preisboxer" or"Export" ), Grand Prix and Holiday Sport, and Holiday for Export Typ 32: Coupé ("Kieme"), 66 till 70, from 11/66 Rallye Typ 33: 5-door wagon, 68 till 73 Typ 34: 3-door wagon 66 till 73 Typ 35: 5-door wagon Luxus, 68 till 70 Typ 36: 4-door sedan, 66 till 73, Edition XE and Holiday for Export Typ 37: 4-door sedan Luxus, 66 till 73 Typ 38: 2-door sedan Luxus, 66 till 73, Edition Festival and Holiday Typ 39: 3-door wagon, 66 till 73 Typ 91: 2-door sedan Luxus Fastback, 68 till 70 Typ 92: Coupé Fastback, 68 till 73, incl Rallye and Festival Typ 95: Coupé Fastback Luxus, for NA, 68 till 72 Typ 96: 4-door sedan Luxus Fastback, 68 till 70 Typ 97: Olympia Version 4-door fastback sedan, 68 till 70 Typ 98: Olympia Version 2-door fastback sedan, 68 till 70 Typ 99: Olympia Version Coupé, 68 bis 70

That is the whole reason for this thread, Opel publications say that here too, but no-one here has ever seen a "Coupé Fastback Luxus, for NA, 68 till 72", L or LS, actually identified as a Model 95! . . . they're all Model 92s! I own a '69 Kadett LS, which was the most fully equipped (i.e. expensive) Kadett model you could buy that year, and it's a Model 92 (VIN 92x......x).

As you can see in this Model Chart, the Kadett "Coupé Fastback" (Model 92 here in ALL forms - L, LS and Rallye) for only 3 years in the US, 1968-70.

[2 Fast 4 U]

This is what I've got on file:

Fahrgestellnummern Personenfahrzeuge von 9/56 (MJ57) bis 8/74 (MJ74)Beispiel: 880123456

1. + 2. Stelle: Modelkennzeichnung

3. - 9. Stelle: Fortlaufende Fahrzeugnummer : wird jedes Modelljahr weitergezählt

Kadett A
31 = Limousine 2 door Sedan
32 = Coupe 2 door
34 = Caravan 2 door
38 = Limousine 2 door Sedan Luxus

Olympia A
97 = Limousine 4-türig Stufenheck
98 = Limousine 2-türig Stufenheck
99 = Coupé 2-türig

Kadett B
31 = Limousine 2 door Sedan
32 = Coupe 2 door L
33 = Caravan 4 door
34 = Caravan 2 door
35 = Caravan 4 door L
36 = Limousine 4 door Sedan
37 = Limousine 4 door Sedan L
38 = Limousine 2 door Sedan L
39 = Caravan 2 door L
91 = Limousine 2 door Sedan LS
92 = Coupe 2 door
96 = Limousine 4 door Sedan LS

Kadett C
31 = Limousine 2 door Sedan
32 = Coupe 2 door
33 = Limousine 2 door Fastback
34 = Caravan 2 door
35 = Limousine 2 door Fastback Luxus
36 = Limousine 4 door Sedan
37 = Limousine 4 door Sedan Luxus
38 = Limousine 2 door Sedan Luxus
39 = Caravan 2 door Luxus

Fahrgestellnummern Personenfahrzeuge von 9/74 (MJ75) bis 8/81 (MJ81) Fahrgestellnummer Beispiel: 88510123456

1. + 2. Stelle: Modelkennzeichnung

3. Stelle: Modelljahr:
5.= 1975
6.= 1976
7.= 1977
8.= 1978
9.= 1979
0.= 1980
1.= 1981

4. Stelle: Herstellerwerk:
1 = Rüsselsheim (Deutschland)
2 = Bochum (Deutschland)
3 = Azambuja (Portugal)
4 = Zaragoza (Spanien)
5 = Antwerpen II (Belgien)
6 = Antwerpen I (Belgien)

5. - 11. Stelle: Fortlaufende Fahrzeugnummer: jedes Modelljahr neu beginnend

Kadett C
31 = Limousine 2-türig Stufenheck
32 = Coupé 2-türig
33 = Limousine 2-türig Fließheck
34 = Caravan 2-türig
35 = Limousine 2-türig Fließheck Luxus
36 = Limousine 4-türig Stufenheck
37 = Limousine 4-türig Stufenheck Luxus
38 = Limousine 2-türig Stufenheck Luxus
39 = Caravan 2-türig Luxus
91 = Limousine 2-türig Stufenheck / 2-türig Stufenheck Luxus
92 = Coupé 2-türig Berlinetta
93 = Limousine 2-türig Fließheck / 2-türig Fließheck Luxus
94 = Caravan 2-türig / Caravan 2-türig Luxus
95 = Limousine 2-türig Fließheck Berlina
96 = Limousine 4-türig Stufenheck / Stufenheck Luxus
97 = Limousine 4-türig Stufenheck Berlina
98 = Limousine 2-türig Stufenheck Berlina
99 = Caravan 2-türig Berlina

[tekenaar]

Originally Posted by 2 Fast 4 U This is what I've got on file: Fahrgestellnummern Personenfahrzeuge von 9/56 (MJ57) bis 8/74 (MJ74)Beispiel: 880123456 1. + 2. Stelle: Modelkennzeichnung 3. - 9. Stelle: Fortlaufende Fahrzeugnummer : wird jedes Modelljahr weitergezählt Kadett A 31 = Limousine 2 door Sedan 32 = Coupe 2 door 34 = Caravan 2 door 38 = Limousine 2 door Sedan Luxus . . . Kadett B 31 = Limousine 2 door Sedan 32 = Coupe 2 door L 33 = Caravan 4 door 34 = Caravan 2 door 35 = Caravan 4 door L 36 = Limousine 4 door Sedan 37 = Limousine 4 door Sedan L 38 = Limousine 2 door Sedan L 39 = Caravan 2 door L 91 = Limousine 2 door Sedan LS 92 = Coupe 2 door 96 = Limousine 4 door Sedan LS . . .

Thanks, that appears to confirm the US Kadett A and B Model numbers then . . . and that Opel used Model 92 for both LS and Rallye Coupes!