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former opel racer
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Well we just have to get a Phuzion head gasket for our Opels and give her a try.
Providing of course that it costs less than the NAPA one... But seriously, I'd bite, I love high tech. I know what's coming next. A group buy to get them to make a gasket for us. Fine, I'll take a couple or few. But, hey, I've never had a head gasket fail. Find us some bolts that won't break. That's where I'd start. Might need to get back into that. We have a new job for my car. It's called the Idaho 200 Outlaw Compact Race. It's cool, just found out about it and was invited. Rules encourage (thus competition demands) a full-out race car motor under 2.4 liters if it has eight valves, or up to 2.0 if it has sixteen. More specifically, block casting must be OEM, head casting must be OEM, but any internal parts may be used. Get this- crank trigger and MSD controls are allowed. 500 cfm carb w/o choke horn OK. Any trans, any diff. Fabricated upper A-arms approved. Hmmm.... Alas, too late this year. But next year! ![]() Aw, shucks, I went off topic again. Who will spearhead getting this gasket made for us? Bob, where is ARP with the next run of head bolts? Where can I get a 2.2 crank? Last edited by jeff denton; 07-23-2008 at 12:13 AM.. |
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No Opels were harmed in the filming of this movie. However two Mustangs, a Pinto, and a Capri were hospitalized. One Mustang was euthanized the next morning. |
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Looks like a good idea for a boosted, turbo/blower, engine though . . . |
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1960: ♥ '61 Rekord PII 1.7 3S 3.9 ♥ '69 Kadett LS 'sprint' 1.9 3A 3.18 1970: ♥ '70 GT 1.9 4S 3.44 ♥ '72 GT 2.2SSD 5S 3.44 ♥ '72 GT 2.4FI 5S 3.44P ♥ '73 GT 1.9FI 4S 3.44 ♥ '75 1900 1.9FI 4S 3.44 1980: ♥ '85 Bitter SC 3.9FI 5S 3.44P |
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GT freak
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Hold on to your hats.
If the shop becomes a dealer...Cost 275.00 List price around 500.00 dollars each.. But wait that price is for American iron...They'll be extra charges for custom gaskets. So don't hold your breath on this one. (read no way in beep)I just thought is was a cool idea. No more o-ringing the head\block and a reusable gasket. |
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former opel racer
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Absolutely. The racers here tell me the 2.2. stroke is the best! Pin height on the pistons will have to go up a bit to use the Crower 2.3 rods. Shouldn't be a problem. Should it? Just thinking out loud again.
Otto, that extra thickness is a good thing. Means the piston has to stick up higher than ever, leaving the top ring up higher, too. Could reduce the amount of block milling. Last edited by jeff denton; 07-23-2008 at 08:45 PM.. |
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No Opels were harmed in the filming of this movie. However two Mustangs, a Pinto, and a Capri were hospitalized. One Mustang was euthanized the next morning. |
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Detroit,where my home was
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Are you going to give a full report on what you have to do and change to have every thing fit?? ![]() I'm thinking of doing the same, I have a 1.9 with high compression pistons and I have a 2.2 that I can use. I allready have talked with Otto about this, and the more input I can get the better. What I'm planning is: change the 19 crank shaft for the 2.2 using the stock 2.2 head. because of the stroke difference I need to remove 3.85 mm from the piston top and redo the valve clearance on the top of the piston, I'm stopping now this is going waaaayyyy off topic Last edited by tekenaar; 07-25-2008 at 04:33 PM.. Reason: planing - afschaven |
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Groetjes, Greetings, Grüße:
Only built from 1970 until 1975 ![]() Daily driver: '72 Ascona 2.0 Luxus Automatic |
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former opel racer
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I don't know enough about the 2.2 head to recommend it yet. I'd go 1.6 if possible, 1.5 if necessary. The stock pistons aren't worth the effort. Start over with some that have the correct pin height, less weight, correct ring width, and grooves for spiral locks. Of course we would be using good new rods that are the longest length possible. Venolia pistons don't cost that much more than OGTS stock replacement, and we'll want light pins and Total Seal rings anyway. Thus, all we need that is stock would be the head gasket, hey, we're back on topic? Oh, but we'll want roller rockers. Dang. Here we go again. I give up. I'm guessing the best way to come up with the 2.2 stroke is to modify the 1.9 crank. |
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No Opels were harmed in the filming of this movie. However two Mustangs, a Pinto, and a Capri were hospitalized. One Mustang was euthanized the next morning. |
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I like the 2.2 cranks because they're the lightest of the bunch (about 34 lbs), while a 1.9/2.0 crank is usually 36-36.25 lbs, and a 2.4 crank is 43 lbs. With some offset grinding of the 2.2 crank, some long rods, and a bored out 2.0/2.2 block, you can build your own 2.4 litre engine with a far better rod ratio and lower piston speed, and about 10 lbs less rotating mass than a factory CN24 engine. Bob |
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Jan. 3, 1984 - Jan. 3, 2009, that's 25 years of this damn Opelitis! C.R.L. 9/22/69 - 12/8/99 J.M.L. 3/3/43 - 6/15/04 |
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Detroit,where my home was
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So if I want to go stock on parts the 2.2 head is ok on a 1.9 block, and what head gasket do I use the 1.9 or the 2.2?? Last edited by tekenaar; 07-25-2008 at 04:31 PM.. |
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Groetjes, Greetings, Grüße:
Only built from 1970 until 1975 ![]() Daily driver: '72 Ascona 2.0 Luxus Automatic |
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hehe we're following parallel routes Bob, here is one cheap setup I will try one of these days: 2.2 crank offset grinded to 81mm stroke, BMW M42 steel rods c-c 140mm, Wiseco Yamaha ATV piston cd28mm, 97mmx81mm = 2394cc rod ratio = 1.73 Hiro |
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Apples and oranges again ![]() Lets see here ..the headgasket still has to do its job Ok the mods are happy right still on topic right? Just some arm chair racing that's all.. some are more serious than others. And I'm well out of my league here. Last edited by tekenaar; 07-25-2008 at 04:29 PM.. Reason: your = possessive |
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former opel racer
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Well Okay, there ya go! 2.2 head it is, then! Funny, I never really explored much about the 2.2 since it wouldn't be legal in my car, but, now that we're thinking about playing a new game with new FUN rules, anything goes! Trouble is, 2.2 stuff is rare on this side of the world, huh?
Yeah we're bench racing. Silly us. But you never know, something real could come of all this. Actually I'm just hanging out waiting for a friend to stop by. From Canada, eh? He was at the waterslide complex when I talked to him a couple hours ago. Oh, he's your friend, too! A member of our gt.com is finally visiting Speedway GT HQ. And the Kokanee Gold is cold, as you would expect...
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No Opels were harmed in the filming of this movie. However two Mustangs, a Pinto, and a Capri were hospitalized. One Mustang was euthanized the next morning. |