Cost of Restoring Your Opel GT

[namba209]

You're ab-so-toot-ley right Rick, the peripheral stuff will definately do you in. That and ALL those little things, like nuts and bolts and washers, that somehow got mislaid. I have a can full of those MT packages to remind me, some of the stuff grew feet, even after it was bagged and labled. Go Figure.

[N61WP]

Guys,

I have been day dreaming lately about selling my GT, so I thought I'd do some research and add up all my receipts tonight for the first time. Now I bought this car in 4/01, built my engine in 02, 5 speed in 04, and added lots of goodies in between. I spent 5k just building the engine and have a total of 14k in receipts!
It is a rust free car (except for the hole under the battery, of course) and even has the original paint. The body has lots of small dings and dents, but nothing serious. I can't believe I'm at 14k and haven't touched the body!

So now I'm wondering where to draw the line.....
James

[Thom71GT]

Day dreaming about selling your GT??? Sounds more like Day NightMares to me. Your dreaming of the wrong thing. You need therapy!!!

[N61WP]

I need therapy all right....you know Stan would like to sell his race car......
jc

[Mike Trout]

To get my 69 GT 1.1 4 speed back to exact all origonal speces im looking around 30k i would not doubt

[nobody]

I was just reading and thinking, good thing the thread is about a singular GT. 4000 in the gold, 3000 in the white 1500 in the silver 12000 in Thumper. Those are fix it prices, now I'm starting another one.

[MikeyOne]

I spent a SMALL fortune (har)

Bought car $624 (ebay)
Towing $ 60
Exhaust $ 90 (custom large pipe and collector)
Wheels with trim and caps$ 5 (recycler.com)
Engine and delivery $110 (Thanks Todd)
Carb (weber) $90 (recycler, came with jets kit, complete weber book and extra air cleaners and stuff)
Fiberglass $15 (remade battery box and built spare tire cover)
Tires $50 (used swapmeet, and mounting)
Recore radiator $190 (Jerry Young - included petcock, three row core)
Seat Covers $5 (blackmarket/swap meet)
Reg and stuff $140 (includes initial taxes)
Hood $40 (Jim at Opel USA)
Gaskets, fluids, bolts, misc $100 (Gil at Opel GT Source and Charles at Goin Manta)


I really dont want to add it up, but I drive this car every day so it was well worth it!

[opelgt73]

I guess I never filled this out before

The yellow GT (see my pictures section):

Bought out of paper for $250 - just rolling body
2nd GT complete for parts - $500
Bodywork and paint done by me though I had to buy about $700 in tools. And about another $700 in paint supplies.
Poly Bushings - $200
Weber Carb - $320
Maching shop cost - $450
Cam - $179
Lifters - $116
Pistons - $380
Gaskets - $125
Clutch - $95
Getrag - $1300
Tires -$250
Shocks - $160
Ignition - $45
Carpet set - $100
Headliner - $20 (my mom made an exact copy out of thicker material)
Breaks - $250
Sprint Exhaust manifold - $90
3 core radiator - $90

Total $6320

All in all I spent over $10K because I bought a bunch of other parts cars, plus I didn't keep acurate records of all the misc supplies that I needed.

[jordan]

let's see

$1300 initial cost
$100 bellypan
$125 ignition
$100 bumper
$300 carpet, weatherstripping, len's gaskets, misc
$150 shocks
$100 front and rear ogts swaybar (bought from member on board)
$225 tires
$175 poly and rubber parts
$350 paint and materials
$65 gaskets
$90 stainless flex brake lines
$200 pads, rotors, bearings, seals
$75 fuel pump, lines, filters
$250 stereo
$250 seats (uninstalled)
$160 exhaust
$80 battery
$75 beauty rings and center caps
$90 mirror
$--- misc

that's $4260 right there, some parts came with the car uninstalled. and I am yet to buy the skins for the fiero seats I bought.

[greenopelgt]

Ms. Opel cost me $3,127 including taxes and in the four plus years I have owned her I have spent $45.13 for a NOS rear resonator and $7.25 for a NOS fan belt. I also bought an extra set of rims, beauty rings and center caps from John G in Carlisle a couple years ago so I could keep the original tires and inner tubes on the original rims for show purposes.

Tom Adkins
1969 Opel GT with the 1.1 Liter engine

[tealcarver]

OK, got the GT new in 1971 3607.00 out the door brand spanking new. Drove for 15 years with minor repairs here and there. Sat in the driveway for another 15 years, then decided it was time to get her back on the road. Well that was a few dollars ago. Here's the list, and it does not count the stainless steel bolts, wet and dry sandpaper, and countless hours of work. I am putting her back together, and will post pictures soon.



"OPEL" letters emblem $40.00
16'" Revo Chrome Rims $1,242.71
205-45-16 Yokahama Tires $527.60
3 point seat belt conversion $180.00
4 Speed Shifter Boot $32.40
Accelorator Pedal $14.40
Antenna $29.00
Battery Box Fiberglass $82.80
Bosh Platinum Spark Plugs $7.96
Brake Booster Hose $21.00
Brake Clutch Pedal 2 sets $20.80
Brake Rotors $32.00
Brake Shims Front $6.00
Brake Tubing Set $63.00
Bump Stop Bushings $40.80
Bumper Gasket Set $6.00
Carbeau Racing Seats $640.00
Carburetor Gasket Thick (2) $14.00
Carpet Replacement Kit $120.00
Cas cap rubber gasket $2.00
Chrome bumpers, door handles $628.00
Chrome for engine compartment $360.00
Chrome Insert Tool $19.00
Chrome One Wire Alternator 100 Amp $119.99
Chrome Strip front and back window $59.00
Chrome Yellow Deltron Paint, Clearcote and reducers $450.25
Clutch and Pressure Plate used $100.00
Clutch Cable New $38.00
Complete Brake Lines new $66.00
Control Arm Bushing Set $50.00
Conversion work for 2.4 $485.00
Cost of used Bumperettes $50.00
Dashboard Refinished plus shifter refinish $814.50
Defroster vents $150.41
Dipstick Tube New $18.00
Distributor Gasket $1.20
Dome Lens $6.50
Door Handle Gaskets $11.40
Door Rubber Channel new $61.00
Door Weather-stripping 24' $79.00
Emblem Grommet Set $5.00
Engine 2.4 liter $2,500.00
Exhaust Flange Gasket $5.00
Exhaust Tips Ansa 2" $66.00
Extra Loud Horn High $12.95
Extra Loud Horn Low $12.95
Filler Neck Gasket $14.00
Firewall material $33.00
Flexible Brake Hoses, 3 $31.47
Floor Plugs $10.80
Floor Plugs $8.00
Flywheel 9" for 2.4 $160.00
Front Bearing Inner $21.98
Front Bearing Outer $19.98
Front Bearing Seal $11.98
Front Blitz Emblem $25.00
Front Brake Hardware $14.00
Front Cowl cover Refinished $200.00
Front Curved Lens Left $29.00
Front Curved Lens Right $29.00
Front Sway Bar $150.00
Front Window Gasket $89.00
Fuel Line to Body Boot $9.00
Fuel Pump Block Off Plate $5.00
Gas Filler Neck Hose $9.00
Gasket Front Curved Lens to Body $5.40
Gasket Front Curved Lens to Housing $5.40
headlight bucket gaskets 2 $27.60
Headliner $85.00
Heater Box Gasket for Heater Tubes $9.00
Heater control plate $134.20
Heater Valve $42.00
Heavy Duty Upper Stop $7.00
Hood Bumpers, 4 $14.00
Hood Bushings $15.36
Hood Rod Holder $3.50
Hood Special Order from Germany $589.00
Ignition Cap $12.49
Ignition Rotor $3.99
Ignition Wires $14.49
Intake Exhaust Gasket for 1.9 (Return) $13.00
Intake Exhaust Gasket for 2.2&2.4 $22.00
Jensen mp3 player $129.89
Lenses and Gaskets Rear 4 $199.00
License Plate Lenses R&L $48.00
Lower Alternator Bushing 2 $10.80
Lower Ball Joints, 2 $81.98
Lower Spring Hats $24.00
Lower Window Scrapers $50.40
Lug nuts and Wrench $19.49
Metal Gast Tank Fuel Line and Fitting $19.00
Micro Switches for Headlights (4) $38.00
Monroe Front Shocks $27.98
Monroe Rear Shocks $46.99
Motor Mount $58.00
Noise Killer 2 gallons $120.00
Noise Killer3 1/2 gallons $125.00
Oil Pan Gasket 2.4 $16.00
Oil Pick up Gasket $1.00
Oil Pressure Sending Unit $69.00
Oil Tube bracket for 2.4 $7.20
Parking Brake Boot $20.00
Petronix system with chrome coil $101.45
Pilot Bearing $11.00
Pinion Shaft Rubber $14.32
Points $7.99
Power Brake Booster Rebuilt $185.00
Primer for painting $18.57
Primer for painting $21.28
Primer for painting $42.55
Quarter Window Gaskets $80.00
Rack and Pinion Boots $24.00
Rack Bushings $14.50
Rear Brake Drums, 2 $136.00
Rear Brake Hardware $18.00
Rear Package Tray $40.00
Rear Spoiler $234.50
Rear Suspension Bushing Kit $99.00
Rear Sway Bar $150.00
Rear Wheel Cylinders new $36.00
Rear Window Gasket $27.00
Rebuilt Bosch Starter $64.40
Rebuilt Caliper Drivers $48.99
Rebuilt Caliper Passenger $48.99
Rebuilt Distributor $62.95
Rebuilt Master Cylinder $45.49
Rebuilt Starter $64.40
Rechrome Bumperettes $100.00
Seat rails $85.00
Shock Covers $6.00
Side Markers with Gaskets $101.00
Spare Tire Cover $40.00
Speakers Pioneer $101.00
Spring Eye Bushings $25.00
Steering Shaft dust bool seal $9.00
Steering Wheel $106.00
Sway bar brackets rear $60.00
Thermostat Gasket $1.50
Throttle Grommet Driver $3.50
Throttle Grommet Passenger $3.50
Throw out bearing $58.80
Tie Rod Ends, 2 $49.98
Torque Tube Donut $39.60
Torque Tube Support Bushing $72.00
Total Cost Parts and Services for 2.4 conversion w/5peed $926.28
Transmission Conversion Kit $500.00
Transmission Getrag 5 speed $1,399.00
U Joint Lock Plate $7.20
Under Hood Rubber Set $25.00
Upper Alternator Bushing Kit with Bolt $19.20
Upper Ball Joints, 2 $73.98
Upper Ball Joints, 2 $90.00
Upper Door Bumper $7.00
Upper Spring Hats $24.00
Visor Metal Hinge $16.00
Water Pump New $59.00
Weber 38 for 2.4 Engine $453.57
Window Grommets pop out window $13.00
Window Regulators Rebuilt $102.53
Window Tinting $100.00
Wire to rewire car $60.73

Total $18,635.74

Got about another 1500 to go and then she is on the road and better than her former glory. My wife has never been into cars, but she always liked the Opel (I dated her in the GT in 71 and 72). When she saw the finished paint job, she set up a date, she gets first ride as soon as it's ready to go. Nothing like living the old days again.

Bob

[jeff denton]

This is very interesting! Whether it's a $5000 investment or $19,000 it seems to be well worth it, regardless of the car's resale value, really a moot point because GTs seem to be worth whatever somebody is willing to pay or what an owner will let it go for.
I now have well over eight thou in mine, the hourmeter reads eleven hours. It is on its second set of tires this year as of today, its second oil change will happen tomorrow night.
It isn't quite as pretty as most, but man, will it go around a left hand corner!
It was the fastest Compact Class car on the track tonight in practice, it really likes its new tires with 2-1/2" rear stagger and the new "roll oversteer" characteristics that came from playing with just where the right rear control link mounts to the spring bucket. It just keeps getting better...

[nobody]

OK. I've read that list 3 times now and have to ask the question.......Just who in the world are you buying parts from? Every one I saw was 20 to 50 % over stock price. 1500 or so just to put in a 2.4. 1400 for a 5 speed come on now lets get back to reality. If this is all true double check your vendors because you are getting raped. I've got a pristine rear axle or two only 4k plus shipping. Hey and Hella lenses at the bargain price of 200 each.......
let's not kid around with those that watch the prices, honestly those prices are absurd, check your vendors or your buying tactics, it's a spoof or your getting screwed.

[tealcarver]

I bought most of the parts from Opel GT Source. The 2.4 engine was ready to drop in, the transmission was rebuilt, and all modifications were done by OGTS. In fact almost every part was bought there with the exception of parts that I got on ebay at a reduced price from OGTS. I am not sure what parts you are refereing to when you say it's 20% to 50% over priced.

I bought several parts from discount auto parts stores that were supposed to fit the GT, but they didn't so I had to return them and go through that process and then reorder them from OGTS, so I finally figured that I would cut out the order and send back process and just order it from OGTS.

If you have sources that can save me 50% and they are the same quality and have someone like Gil and Dennis standing behind them and providing all the information to get the part in, I am all ears believe me.

As for my list, it is quite real, but I think the point is my car is absolutely rebuilt from the ground up. The only thing that has not been rebuilt or new is the rear end running gears. Everything else is new. Getting raped? I travel five days a week for my company, and sometimes paying more for a completely rebuilt transmission with all the modifications already done makes more sense than working on it for six weekends. The engine is ready to drop in, it includes the reboring of the dip stick hole, the oil pick up, and a couple other details that need to be taken care of. Although the price may seem high for some of the items, they usually include work that is not detailed on the Excel Spreadsheet that I keep my expenses for the GT. The list on my post is a direct copy and paste from the spreadsheet. If there is a particularly puzzling charge that I have posted that looks really high, I would be glad send you a copy of my receipt. I don't consider myself particularly ignorant when it comes to prices for parts, but I am not sure that you have calculated the service level received along with the part. Replacing parts in a bargin engine is no bargain. When my engine goes in, I know it will work, and if by some chance it does not, I will call Dennis and Gil and I know that they will make it good. (Service I was refereing to).

Again, if you have sources for new parts and they are substantially less than the prices you see posted here, you could do a service to everyone on the board by sharing your sources. I would have appreciated saving 50% on the cost of my restoration. I could have done the same thing for around $9500.00 and banked the rest, that would have really made me happy. I do have some more parts that need to be purchased, so I would appreciate any discount, full service part houses you can recommend.

Thanks,
Bob

[Killer Texas GT]

"tealcarver"s price list is inline with reality especially for the 2.4 conversion. just getting a 2.4 into the States is costing $2320, that does not include the cost of the 2.4 and plans for a rebuild when it arrives, possible another $2000. I know in My GT that I have owned since '76 it has had a ground up restoration and customizing( which I did my self) I had at least $12000 in it back in '98, and yet it still is taking money for all the Modifications I have done and its about ready for another ground up restoration which will cost approximately another $6,000 and I just got through buying a set of wheels and tires for $2200.
And, I LUVS ME CAR, cause I will never get back what I have put in it, and don't plan on it, cause it ain't for sale!!!!

To me the Opel is 'ART' you either embrace it or you through it out, and choose to wrap myself up in it for all it is worth, even if it ain't.

[jeff denton]

Killer, finally I hear from somebody with the right attitude, the realistic and proper love for his passion. I get involved to some extent in lots of hot rod projects, everybody and his brother needs my help in some aspect of his project. I see too many that are in a big hurry, out of money, over budget. I never work on junk and will call a spade a spade, I turn down most of it because I haven't got the time anyway... The first thing that turns me off is a person explaining he needs to get it done so he can sell it. "Then what are you building it for? You can't sell it for what you've got into it. You're upside down, leave me out of it 'cause I don't work for free!"
My hot rods aren't for sale either. And none of them are done. Some of them aren't even driveable. One hasn't run in twenty years. So what?
I've always said if a hot rod is "done" it's owner isn't a hot rodder.

[namba209]

Originally Posted by jeff denton I've always said if a hot rod is "done" it's owner isn't a hot rodder.

Now doggone it Jeff, I've been working on Willit? starting my 5th year this month. It sure doesn't seem like it's been that long, but it has. Margaret wants it done, others on this site want it done, and by golly, I WANT IT DONE, just so I can drive it. Then start on the monza after Willit? has proven to be reliable. Yeah, there are other things I could do to the GT, but right now I want it finished so I can drive it just to see if it's been worth all the time and trouble.

Now just keep the moderators happy, I haven't computed the following info, I'm too afraid of what the real cost has been over the years. 5 years ago I started with a blank credit card and started ordering bits and pieces for Willit?, then came the restoration, all on the same credit card. I've been putting $500 a month on the card since the beginning and it's still not back to zero yet. Now there has been some R & D costs involved along with way, too many mods on things that didn't work and had to be redone. Has it been worth it, yeah, and then some, and I'll keep it as long as I can drive the living daylights out of it. But as I've said numerous times, jokingly, it keeps me out of the bars and brothels and worth every penny. .

[nobody]

I guess the same kinda restore for about half the money is not pheasable? I hate to dissagree but it's very possible and been done. Mechanicly mine is finished, a bit of cosmetics but nothing major by any stretch yet to finish it off. On a normally apirated platform I can't go any further and the rest of it all matches the output and desires I had for it. Yes I rod the living daylights out of it. I also built it and farmed out almost nothing, I wasn't aware of the criteria of no work done yourself, yes this would make the prices higher. I also didn't limit myself to a single source for anything. I knew what the prices were from each vendor VS the price for aftermarket or A grade used. I have less money in the drive train than that rebuilt 2.4 alone and still it can make that 700 dollar 5 speed beg for mercy.