SCCA GT-4 Race GT in ad board and ebay

[montana]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2484689134

[benncojr]

Is this your GT??

[montana]

Yes. ...............

[calvin]

That ad has some very good imformation and I feel that it should be preserved on this thread as ebay will go away this imfo shouldn't.


It needs some things, but NOTHING is stock but the windshield... Tube reinforced frame, Carillo rods, Arias pistons, roller rockers, Isky cam, Quartermaster clutch, dual SK 45 dcoe carburetors's, close ratio race trans, kiezer wheels, disc brakes, optional different ratio rear ends, accusump, sparco seats, oberg oil screen filter, big custom radiator, oil cooler, full guages, racing springs, adjustable front a-arms, MSD ignition, racing distributor etc. I think it has been a racer since '73.


The Car A GT4 GT

Ignition: Distributer is a Chrysler Direct Connection racing unit. Spark plugs are Champion L82YC or NGK B7HS gaped at .040".

Ignition module is a MSD-6A, 1490 Henery Brennan Dr., El Paso TX 799~ (915) 857-5200

Spark plug wires must be spiral core (magnetic suppression) .Solid cc will cause an intermittent high speed miss because the radiated RFI/I interfere with the MSD ignition.

Ignition timing marks on front aluminum pully: 1st mark -TDC, 2nd mc advance (not important) , 3rd mark, -full advance (34 deg BTDC) .TimE engine at full advance only, (3500- 4000 rpm) .Note: There are two advance marks on the pully, use the first mark, 34 degrees BTDC for : pistons, use the second mark, 38 degrees for 12.5 to 1 pistons.

Carburetors:

Dual SK 45 DCOE, TWM Induction, 400 Rutherford St Goleta CA 93117 (8 9478. Carbs are no longer manufactured but TWM keeps a good stock on SK jets are interchangable with Weber DCOE jets. Fuel pressure -3.5 psi. Float setting -29 mm.

Note: Rear carb has a shim on one side of the float pivot, this shim float centered so it will not bind against the side of the float bowl. This shim is very important.

Engine:

pistons -Arias 11.5 to 1 forged, Job # 260158, cylinder clearance -.007" measured 1.1" below oil ring groove, bore dia 3.700", weight –520 grams
Top ring end gap -.016", 2nd ring end gap -.014", oil ring -.020"
ARIAS, 13420 S. Normandie Av, Gardena CA 90249 (310) 532-9737 Note: 12.5:1 pistons can also be used. Job # for 12.5 to 1 pistons, 160684. These used .906" pins, if you order these pistons specify the Ford .912" f

Wrist pins -Mr. Wrist pin (310) 323-0250, Mark Dellacca 120 E. 162r CA 90248, length- 2.80", dia- .905" tapered pin, weight -124 gran material -4340 chrome-moly. Mark at Mr. Wrist pin will refurbish 01 $60, rehardchrome and regrind, or make new

ones by modifying some .5 Modified pins will probably weigh 121 grams. Carillos use .912" pin~ Mark makes them by shorting ford pins, weight -127 grams. Rings -available from many different sources, cast iron rings seat quicker. Top and second ring -5/64". Oil ring -3/16".
Sealed Power, 1930 NW 23rd Place, Portland OR 97210. Part # WE379X Ring # and description:

Top -BT10430 030 3.6710 X .0780

2nd- RBT10060 030 3.6710 X .0780 Oil -SS50U753 030 3.671 X .1875

Note: Top ring has a bevel on the top inside edge.

Rods -Stock Opel, late 1972 and on have a "bump" on the back of thE surrounding the oil hole. Properely prepared these rods work well. ] have the beams polished, then shotpeened, and balanced. Bearing cle; .0015" to .002",torque to 36 ft lbs. Carillos weigh 640 grams, and :
torqued to 65 ft lbs. Change rod bearings when they measure .0025"
Crank- Stock cranks before 1975 are forged. 1975 cranks are cast and are junk per Stuart Peterson. Bearing clearence -.002" to .0025

Cam- Ed Iskenderian Racing Cams 16020 S. Brodway P.O. Box . 90247 (213) 770-0930 FAX

(213) 515-5730 Grind No. OR99

INTAKE TIMING EXHAUST TIMING

OPEN: 40 BTDC OPEN: 80 BBI

CLOSE: 80 ABDC CLOSE: 40 ATDC

CAM LIFT: .338" CAM LIFT: .338"

VALVE LIFT: .480" VALVE LIFT: .480"

VALVE LASH: .020" COLD VALVE LASH: .20" COLD

NOTE: THE ABOVE TIMING IS AT .021" LIFTER RISE

INTAKE TIMIMG EXHAUST TIMING

OPEN: 16 BTDC . OPEN: 56 BBDC

CLOSE: 56 ABDC CLOSE: 16 ATDC

NOTE: THE ABOVE TIMING IS AT .050" LIFTER RISE

When adjusting the valve clearance the 9/16 lock nuts must be very tight. The Crowler roller rockers are hardened steel and will stand up to high torque. If these nuts are not tight the push rods will come out.
Rocker Arms -Crowler small block Chevy 3333 Main St. Chula Vista Ca. 91911-5899
Orders- (800) 222-2267 Tech- (619) 422-1191
Valves -Manely stainless steel -smalJ- block Chevy Intake: M-EB l.75 head dial 4.914 lengthl .34375 stem dia (] Exhaust: J-EB 1.50 head dial 4.914 lengthl .34375 stem

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Valve stem seals -Iskenderian : VS-11/32

Accusump- 3 quart. Ten psi of air should be maintained on the guage side of pistonwith no oil in the sump (Schrader valve near guage) . change "o" riings
once a year or when the sump no longer can maintain the 10 Psi. there are 4 "0" ringsl (2) on the piston and (1) on each end cap. "0" ring: "341" type. They are available from Pegasus for aprox $12.00
Wisconsin Bearing for $0.80 ea. When changing the "0" rings it’s important that the inside of the cylinder be completly dry an not oil or grease the "0" rings on the internal pistonl if oi piston will leak.

Clutch- QuarterMaster 1350 Howard St Elk Grove Village IL 6 8999. 5/16 bolts on the cover assy require torquing to 20 ft disk min thickness is .090".

Pilot bearing -HK 1512 Wisconsin Bearing $4.00

Oil cooler /

filter adapter "0" ring -230-B46A Wisconsin Be

TORQUE VALUES:

Rod bolts -36 ft lbs (stock) 65 ft lbs (Carillos)

Main bolts -72 ft lbs

Head bolts -80 ft lbs (72 ft lbs is recommended but head gas at 80)

Flywheel bolts -43 ft lbs

QuarterMaster clutch cover assy 5/16 bolts -20 ft lbs

[madhatterpdc]

Good call Calvin, that will save people like me about 2 months of searching on this site, or about 10 years of trial and error.

I wish I had the space/finances for another racer. That looks to be a well sorted car, and would be competive all day long. Although, I would probably never get that one to the track either.

Brian
"Too many cars, not enough <insert limiting factor here>"

[cherokee]

I agree with you madhatterpdc...I would have been hard pressed not to buy it 12 months ago, but now my car is so far along I doubt that the wife would approve, of me having 3 race cars...anybody want a 85 ITA MR2

[montana]

THanks for the cut and paste. There is a lot of good info supplied to me by the previous two owners compiled here. It took the "Oh crap I just bought a used modified I don't know what" fear out of the picture when I bought it. I hardly knew what a GT was beforehand. I just wanted to race and the car had a good rep. albeit the previous owner/driver was an excellent/consistent racer. As a newbie I did pretty well after I found that peaceful dreamlike groove that the car likes. She likes to be on the pole

[davegt27]

that sounds like a Manta-part motor

i herd about a guy years ago that ran direct connection dist

Rally Bob could probably fill in more info.


Davegt27

[montana]

Hey does anybody know why only one person made a bid on this car in ebay? It didn't sell and I am considering relisting it. I would appreciate any sugestions on things to change in the advertisment.
It's a great car for anybody that wants to race. It's a GT....
GT's make good racers for a bunch of reasons including: Large frontal downforce, all four cylinders behind front wheel centers...etc.

[GTJIM]

It is not that we wern't tempted - just too far away and another "money pit" is not a priority. Someone wants it! Great info though - and I have an Isky OR-99 cam in a Norris Kit ......

[calvin]

The car is great the price is right.... the market isn't big enough..

That car should be advertised in grass roots motorsports and classic car


the active racers here have cars, stan ,bob, greg and others. the people who look for opel on ebay are opeler looking for a deal

The maybe someday wanabe's crowd (like me) could maybeeeeee afford the car .... but then I could not afford the time and expense of a season. Joining the SCCA isn't to bad ($70) but add another 2 grand for driving school along with competing costs plus a truck to haul the thing... that is a competitive car, it should have an owner that could afford to compete..

there may be people who can afford to compete here but for the kind of money the car (rightfully) commands they might want to build there own.

you need to find someone like me without to much sense, a wife who is out of town and has capital to swing everything. That is your buyer and he is not looking on the opel sight or ebay... no he is reading a racing car mag with dreams of glory and podiums in his head.. take the dream to where he is looking.... GRM


=== now if you don't mind tell me about those spark plug wires.. where do you get them? I go to an auto store they say "what year and model and then they say we don't list those kind of plugs for your car so unless I can tell them I want solid core XYZ plugs I am SOL

thanks,
Calvin

http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/470044

[ConreroGT]

I'd be really interested in it myself...but like someone mentioned...it'd be another money pit for me right now. Anyone up for a group buy in the NW? ....form our own race team...

[RallyBob]

Originally Posted by montana Hey does anybody know why only one person made a bid on this car in ebay? It didn't sell and I am considering relisting it. I would appreciate any sugestions on things to change in the advertisment. It's a great car for anybody that wants to race. It's a GT.... GT's make good racers for a bunch of reasons including: Large frontal downforce, all four cylinders behind front wheel centers...etc.

Most likely because 'tub' cars generally aren't competitive any more, everything on the front row is a tube chassis. That, and Opels need a bit more TLC than a lot of other cars, simply because every racing part on the car is usually custom, very little comes from off the shelf parts bins.

As a historic car, it's tempting, however I have personally seen a lot of 'attitudes' from vintage organizations regarding Opels. Not old enough for many cutoff dates (usually 1968), and not interesting enough historically for the modern-day classics.

And as mentioned earlier, most Opel owners are looking for a 'deal' of the century, few are willing to ante up the cash.....

HTH,
Bob

[Travis]

Montana,

There is lots of info missing from the add that I would consider mandatory in selling/buying a car like this.

In no particular order

There is no indication of it's competitiveness. Has it ever won any races, championships?
Who built the motor? Dyno sheets? Head flow numbers? Measured compression ratio?
Suspension information, bushings, heim joints, adjustable, geometry improvements?
Is the motor fresh, tired, somewhere in between?
Shocks, $15 tired Monroes or $1500 double adjustable Penskes?
LSD? torsen or friction style?
Weight? Weight distribution?

One down side of the suspension being in front of the motor is that it's a long way from the front hoop of the cage. There is LOTS of opportunity for flexing up front. I see no tubes to the firewall let alone the front suspension.

-Travis

[nobody]

One thing you have to understand about selling a modified GT is that it will never sell for even a fraction of the price you have into it, if it will even sell at all. Everybody wants a pristine car that they can do whatever they want to, not inherit somebody elses ideas. In pieces the car would have sold but all together it will be tough. Just as an example the intake is on my shopping list but not those SKs. There are a few other items I'd be interested in but not the whole car. There are probably a few more people with the same thoughts as to the pieces but not the whole. I wish this was not the case but if you watch what sells and for how much it's easy to figure out. Performace parts are worth alot and a modified car is not, go figure.

[cherokee]

I think that the main reason is because it is an opel. You are trying to sell something to a VERY small group of people (racers), and then you narrow it down even more in looking for an Opel racer. I would doubt that there are 10 running SCCA,NASA any vintage org. that you can think of. If you want to sell it I would list it here and eventually someone will come along (every opel person I would bet comes across this site)...I would have been intrested but my car is almost done. Nothing wrong with the car you are just selling a car to a very small group of people. The price was ok I think, it is less then I have in my ITB car and it ain't done yet.

[montana]

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Originally Posted by Travis Montana, There is no indication of it's competitiveness. Has it ever won any races, championships? It is a regional butt kicker (depending on where you are I supose). Bob is right about the "tub" factor for national scca, but for regional or club it is a winner. Wanna race?.WANNA WIN REGION OR CLUB?..here ya go... If someone wanted to search archives of Midwestern Council of Sports Car Clubs (mcscc) they have it online. One would look for Pete O'Connell (me)or Ed Key FROM in '93-'99 Some operator error dnfs and one mech... fatiqued driveline torque shaft Who built the motor? Ed Key w/pro help Dyno sheets? No Head flow numbers? No Measured compression ratio? 11.5:1 theo Suspension information, bushings, heim joints, YES adjustable, geometry improvements? YES Is the motor fresh, tired, somewhere in between? FResh Shocks, $15 tired Monroes or $1500 double adjustable Penskes? Former LSD? torsen or friction style? can any body remember what it stand fo? ..lysergenic sodium dioxin..no that's not it.... Weight? Meets #2040 spec with #25 lead low inside Weight distribution? dunno but car has neutral drift One down side of the suspension being in front of the motor is that it's a long way from the front hoop of the cage. There is LOTS of opportunity for flexing up front. I see no tubes to the firewall let alone the front suspension. CAGE IS TIED FROM REAR SUSP TO FRONT THRU FIRE... VERY STIFF -Travis

[jeff denton]

Hi Pete, sorry to hear that you are getting no bites on your car. I sure wish I could buy it, heck it's only a hundred miles away from me.
I never did hear just what you want for it, nor have I seen any pictures.
I'm gonna mention this to a guy I know who has lots of money and likes neat toys, tell me where to see pictures and how much money might be involved...
Speedway GT is just about race ready, we took it to the track last weekend to show to the disbelievers. It drew quite a crowd!!