What I thought really neat Jim was the local constabulary that checked out the VIN on the car to verify it for the DMV after I had to reregister because some clerk decided to take it out of the system, was they could not/would not verify mileage of the car because I already taken the instrument panel out from the car. Even though the speedo was untouched they would not verify because it was not an integral part of the car at the time. On the check sheet they used and I tutned in to DMV was that the rivets on the VIN tag were standard round. And the tag was painted originally too, there was paint chips laying on the ash with the numbers reverse embossed on the chips. So I guess I'll be safe to pop rivet them in with some stainless rivets I found in the motorhome for an exhaust extension for the generator, needed at dog shows. It's funny how things go full circle sometimes. I didn't need the rivets to stabilize the exhaust because of another way of doing it already on the rig, but need them for the GT VIN tag.