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    It would be nice if there was a login for OMC, and then a members-only digital library of all past issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knorm65 View Post
    I think the website needs to be updated a lot! It needs a way to go onto the OMC website and add a membership to a shopping cart along with omc goodies like stickers and t-shirts. I would pay $5 for an OMC sticker, buy 2 t-shirts , etc. If OMC would make a good enough storefront you could have people donate items to be bid on! The proceeds would go to OMC. I don’t think OMC even has a donation page? That could be added to the site easily! Do it in a kickstarter style with different levels of rewards. A $1 donation gets a thank you. $5 gets a sticker. $10 gets your car’s photo in the blitz. $25 gets you a full page photo. $50 gets you a rusted Opel gt etc...

    Also I’d be happy to be an officer. I’ve done pretty well with the Facebook group I run and such. It might help to have a designated social media person I guess.
    The web site is a disaster and I can't get them to fix it. They update it once every 5 years, maybe. Worst is the join page there takes you info then sends to who knows where. That's why I made my own version.

    I'm going to push to get it updated or replaced, and I can replace it. As if I don't already do enough.

    Selling stuff through a web site requires quite a bit of extra programming but is doable. Maybe we should just put stuff on eBay and post links to them.

    Instead of logging in to access past issues I am all for making all past issues available for free, maybe except the most recent couple of years. I still get resistance to the CD-ROM idea, and I have a working prototype of that. There is another problem, in the past OMC did not hesitate to pirate articles from magazines. We'd either need to get publisher's blessings or redact those pages. The latter seems the best route.

    The leadership at this point is so disconnected this is barely a club. The treasurer and myself are the only ones doing anything. We haven't had officer elections in a couple of years. OMC is for the most part just the publication, not really a club, but I know some people, long time members, really like the feeling of belonging to this.

    Kyler, thanks for the offer. I'll mention it to the "officers".

    $20 for a full page photo? I offer to do that for free, even for the cover. Kyler is the only person to ever take me up on that offer.

    I am a little frustrated, but generally optimistic about OMC. Yes, its a mess. I just try to put out the Blitz. I like doing that. We'll see what happens financially in the next year.

    Mike

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    I've created websites in the past, using various website hosting platforms to make it easier. Google Sites is a real easy way to solve a lot of website issues. From general layout to embedding PayPal and a store side of a website. I was really close to pulling the trigger on Google Sites (I think it's $5 a month with pretty generous storage space) to launch a company website. I'll do that once the vents are in production.

    Could be good practice for me to create a new OMC website if you want help doing that. I can understand HTML a little, enough to get dirty. And handling media is something I'm good at. It's a lot of work, but a well designed website becomes low maintenance after everything is in place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by m610 View Post
    The web site is a disaster and <SNIP>

    </SNIP>Instead of logging in to access past issues I am all for making all past issues available for free, maybe except the most recent couple of years. I still get resistance to the CD-ROM idea, and I have a working prototype of that. There is another problem, in the past OMC did not hesitate to pirate articles from magazines. We'd either need to get publishers' blessings or redact those pages. The latter seems the best route.

    The leadership <SNIP>

    I am a little frustrated, but generally optimistic about OMC. Yes, its a mess. I just try to put out the Blitz. I like doing that. We'll see what happens financially in the next year.

    Mike
    Mike, I always told my kids "If you don't ask, the answer is No!" It will be more work for YOU, but if you think it adds "value" then go for it!

    JMHO, but it is easy for me to talk, the work isn't mine to do!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Autoholic View Post
    I've created websites in the past, using various website hosting platforms to make it easier. Google Sites is a real easy way to solve a lot of website issues. From general layout to embedding PayPal and a store side of a website. I was really close to pulling the trigger on Google Sites (I think it's $5 a month with pretty generous storage space) to launch a company website. I'll do that once the vents are in production.

    Could be good practice for me to create a new OMC website if you want help doing that. I can understand HTML a little, enough to get dirty. And handling media is something I'm good at. It's a lot of work, but a well designed website becomes low maintenance after everything is in place.
    You should go ahead and create your site now, just don't launch it. It'll give you plenty of opportunity to refine it before the public sees is.

    Generally, more than HTML is required. You'll need css, too, at a minimum, and javascript if there is any two-way interaction with your site visitors, and php if you need to build pages on the fly, such as when someone is purchasing an item.

    I know there are sites that make it easy to build your own but I have shied away from them. Too limited, and they put their name on your site. I think the current OMC site was built using one of these.

    I create my own using Adobe's Dreamweaver. I've been told it is a medium-level tool in terms of difficulty and sophistication. It's actually pretty easy once you figure out a basic few things, and now, for me, it is not much different from using a word processor. As for adding sales, there is free code that can help people with paypal purchases, for example. I have used it. But then someone has to fulfill those orders, etc. We'd need some motivated and reliable people for that. Things are different once money is involved.

    If OMC decides to shed it's traditional mission of the newsletter and the Nationals, and leaving the non-Internet among us to their fates, there are a lot of options, such as redoing the web site entirely and providing the equivalent of columns, or blogs, where knowledgeable folks in the community can publish stories. Picture you, me, Charles, Kyler, and Gordon, to name a few, publishing there. We'd be the Jalopnik of the Opel world, possibly supported by ads!

    I figure there are many options, but in the end, what do we want to achieve, and who wants to do the work to make it happen?

    Mike
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    Quote Originally Posted by m610 View Post
    If OMC decides to shed it's traditional mission of the newsletter and the Nationals, and leaving the non-Internet among us to their fates, there are a lot of options, such as redoing the web site entirely and providing the equivalent of columns, or blogs, where knowledgeable folks in the community can publish stories. Picture you, me, Charles, Kyler, and Gordon, to name a few, publishing there. We'd be the Jalopnik of the Opel world, possibly supported by ads!

    Mike,

    Why not do both? Then you could use community published content that is really good, for the Blitz. Less work for you on the Blitz. You wouldn't be leaving anyone out in the cold. But, this forum has tons of great content already. How often has forum content been used?
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    I rarely use forum content, and when I do I get permission from the author.

    I have had articles that started out as a thread on these forums. The author used it as a draft and to get feedback while developing it.

    Most of the forum content is too chatty and too often never solves the problem/answers the question. They tend to ramble a bit, understandably, and would not be easy to turn into good coherent articles.
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    My wife was starting a new career (as a retired teacher) in art back when we were living in Ruidoso, NM. We moved to Phoenix in early 2011 so it was about 10 years ago that she decided that she needed a website to sell her work. I looked into it and took a couple of online classes (one of which required you to develop a web site) using HTML (about all there was in 2008-9). She did sell a few paintings, but I required her to tell me about each painting so she quit adding to the site. Take a look at what a beginner can do with a little instruction (and help from his "friends" online).

    Original paintings for sale. Contessa Sonterra has retablos, portraits, landscapes and more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slracer View Post
    My wife was starting a new career (as a retired teacher) in art back when we were living in Ruidoso, NM. We moved to Phoenix in early 2011 so it was about 10 years ago that she decided that she needed a website to sell her work. I looked into it and took a couple of online classes (one of which required you to develop a web site) using HTML (about all there was in 2008-9). She did sell a few paintings, but I required her to tell me about each painting so she quit adding to the site. Take a look at what a beginner can do with a little instruction (and help from his "friends" online).

    Original paintings for sale. Contessa Sonterra has retablos, portraits, landscapes and more.
    Looks very nice, and... so, you used tables? So old fashioned.

    CSS is used instead nowadays. With CSS you define the "style" of each item, usually a <div>,</div> block of code. Apparently doing makes it easier to get a consistent look throughout a page/site, plus it requires less bandwidth, less data sent to your computer.

    Here's Team Tinyvette's home page: Team Tinyvette

    If you are using Firefox type CTRL-U to view the source code. Look for things like <div class="sidebar1"> That class definition uses css code to define the width, color, overall look of the sidebar on the left. That code is in a separate file and can be used by any number of pages. I don't have to create a table for each page just to have a sidebar.

    Other css code you see there handles the "hover" event, how the buttons change when you move the mouse cursor over them.

    Javascript is used, too.

    I still use tables too, but less frequently.

    Ain't computers fun?

    Mike


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    Lets not reinvent the wheel guys. The Alt-opel.us site was set up for Opel clubs in the U.S. It is the North American section of Alt-Opel I.G., the largest Opel club in Germany.

    The program I am using is much more than a just a Forum. It is a very flexible program that has pages for articles, Photo gallery, Document storage and PDF display, a marketplace, custom pages and much more.

    Plenty of server space and I can set up an OMC section fairly easily.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gary View Post
    Lets not reinvent the wheel guys. The Alt-opel.us site was set up Opel clubs in the U.S. It is the North American section of Alt-Opel I.G., the largest Opel club in Germany.

    The program I am using is much more than a just a Forum. It is a very flexible program that has pages for articles, Photo gallery, Document storage and PDF display, a marketplace, custom pages and much more.

    Plenty of server space and I can set up an OMC section fairly easily.
    There also can be a "Subscriber" section where access is by paid subscription.

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    I'm the webmaster for our local AMC club. The previous webmaster forgot to pay the hosting fees, so GoDaddy deleted all the files. He had no backups, so I had to design a new site from scratch when I took over. I'm no expert on html and even less so on CSS, but am usually able to figure things out. I used a free CSS template, which I modified to fit our needs. It's a pretty simple site, but I don't think it looks horrible. There's a link at the bottom of the page to the site where I got the template.

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    A wiki like add-on is available. Articles, Etc are shown on an index page.Clicking on the link takes you to the article. no programming necessary.
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    Gary, why did you create Alt-Opel.US if you had OpelGT.com?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Autoholic View Post
    Gary, why did you create Alt-Opel.US if you had OpelGT.com?
    I applied to the Alt-Opel I.G. club in Germany to start a North American section of their club and it was approved by their governing board. Alt-Opel I.G. is the largest Opel club in Germany (over 3,000 members) and has full factory support. My vision was for Alt-Opel.US to be an umbrella site for the local clubs in the U.S. and Canada.

    Seeing that I no longer had access to the "back end" of this site to make changes, additions and upgrades, I purchased a new program and set it up on a leased server under the classicopels.com/alt-opel.us domain to provide space and easy access for local clubs.

    The main features I wanted to have was document sharing, an Ad Board, a discussion forum and event schedules for all clubs/gatherings. All of those features are now included in the sites 'package' and require one login for access. The packages are frequently updated and only take one click to complete. I had purchased standalone classified and document sharing programs before they were made available in the site's 'package'. With the flexibility of the core package, I was able to set up a registry database for Opel models.

    My intent is/was not to replace this site but to provide a modern, club friendly alternative.

    FWIW, I did manage opelclub.com for a couple of years and still pay its domain fees.

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    I think the whole story of how OpelGT.com came to be, and what came before, and now Alt-Opel, would be an interesting story for The Blitz.

    I need to check my notes but I think Gary was also once the web master for OMC.

    Gary, contact Dick Counsil about paying hosting fees. He was wondering who was doing that.

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    I’ve heard some of the backstory from Charles, but it would be a cool article in the Blitz. I was told at the beginning of the internet, there was an email group used for communication and that the email group is probably still out there, just not being used.
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    Quote Originally Posted by m610 View Post
    I think the whole story of how OpelGT.com came to be, and what came before, and now Alt-Opel, would be an interesting story for The Blitz.

    I need to check my notes but I think Gary was also once the web master for OMC.

    Gary, contact Dick Counsil about paying hosting fees. He was wondering who was doing that.

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    I was the webmaster for a bit until a certain member sucked the enthusiasm for it right out of me. Dick is aware.

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    ^ Like I noted, it would be a great story.

    I've spoken to Gil a few times about the early history of OMC and it is a lot more interesting than you'll read anywhere.

    As for the Club's financials, the upcoming 90-ish page issue will be expensive, those costs mostly covered by not producing the July-September issue. I also plan to make this one available for public purchase, which made me think maybe OMC should do this for past issues. I have most of the PDF versions of issues of the Blitz going back to the mid-1990s. Just round up the printing costs by a few dollars and OMC will see tens of dollars of additional income annually.

    By the time the next issue comes out I'll have all the financial details and projections of future costs, and recommendations for an increase in membership dues, etc.

    And Gary is right, reinventing the wheel is not necessary and will be a lot more work than any of us would want to put into this. Updating the current web site, however, is a must.

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    I need a little help.

    All of the stories are in and the whole issue is now being sewn up. There's a lot left to do with the photos, mostly page numbers and header/footers, but that's just boring dog work.

    What I still need help with are the names of people in the people-photos section. The attachment has the names in the captions, with yellow highlight for names I need help with.

    The page numbers in the captions do not matter. They are more sequence numbers at this point than page numbers. Yes, there are 39 pages of photos, probably 100 photos in total.

    So, if you see a face that still needs a name let me know.
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