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    Using a complete FI system including the distributor from a C24NE seems like a good plan and easy to do, especially if you use the 22E intake manifold.
    The "2,2 Omega" cam in the picture can't be from an Omega as they are all 16V DOCH engines, perhaps it is from a Rekord with a 22E engine ?
    The C24NE cam is not a double pattern cam, look here for the specs: opel, senator, monza, omega
    Besides, the numbers on the cam sides are not a reliable way to identify them, it's the stamped letter at the back that does it and it should be an U. On a 22E cam it's an M.
    In this listing of engines: https://www.opel-infos.de/technik/motoren/motto.html there is only one C24NE engine and it's shared by both the Omega and Frontera, and it seems strange if they were different versions and still would have the same hp and torque with different cams.
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    my head hurts from trying to understand all this.

    same feeling every time I call charles. I call him to get the skinny, and I end up bamboozled.

    lolzzz.

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    dude. i cant remember if i still have it but my irmscher tuned efi setup came with a header with heat wrap on it with a oxy bung.

    let me look

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    It would have to be configured for a Manta/Luxus/Ascona. I think the angle or height is a little different.

    I can get by for the short term with the oxy sensor sort of rigged into the '75 manifold. Or we put it in the headpipe. But if yours will work, then let's take a look at it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by The Scifi Guy View Post
    Okay, I just talked with Charlie and, as usual, I got bombarded by info that contradicts what others have said, which contradicts contradicts contradicts

    (Edit: Norbert's post - I have to work with the parts we have available. You have the luxury of being able to use all the parts from a donor car and smart people with experience to set it all up for you. I don't, I just have Charlie and his boxes of parts from all over Europe. It will all work out. If it doesn't, then we will try another idea. )
    Upps

    You know that I be not a friend of puzzle Opels.I call it Patch Work!
    And I know there is a smart guy over there who go the same way as I do.
    Bought a 85`Opel Rekord 2.2i,5speed few month ago for engine swap to a Kadett B.
    This way will be a lot cheaper as buy all parts by parts arround in Europ!
    The best is,he find out all issues by test drives(maybe to Carlisle)before the swap begin.
    Verry verry smart!!

    Btw. To find a real good Rekord 2.2 or a Omega 2.4 is a great luck.The search can be a real pain.
    That is the result by the "Scrapping Prize" by our Goverment.So most good Cars out of that time are gone for ever in the shredder!

    378.530 Opel`s goes in 2009 the last way!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by norbertone.gt371 View Post
    Upps

    You know that I be not a friend of puzzle Opels.I call it Patch Work!
    And I know there is a smart guy over there who go the same way as I do.
    Bought a 85`Opel Rekord 2.2i,5speed few month ago for engine swap to a Kadett B.
    This way will be a lot cheaper as buy all parts by parts arround in Europ!
    The best is,he find out all issues by test drives(maybe to Carlisle)before the swap begin.
    Verry verry smart!!

    Btw. To find a real good Rekord 2.2 or a Omega 2.4 is a great luck.The search can be a real pain.
    That is the result by the "Scrapping Prize" by our Goverment.So most good Cars out of that time are gone for ever in the shredder!

    378.530 Opel`s goes in 2009 the last way!!!!
    Yep, thats what RAV is fighting.. good thing he is on Polish German border.

    He just got another 2.2L Rekord recently..

    But long story short, I got a LOT of 2.4L EFI parts, and I am going to go with the fact Bosch and GM invested a LOT of money into the Motronic system. There has to be a reason it exists, and that reason probably involves, a balance of power to gas mileage to emissions. The good thing is it is the only Opel CIH EFI system to use an O2 sensor, computer controlled ignition, and a crank sensor. Its a LOT more intelligent than the 75 EFI LJet system. Bonus with the wagon is its setup for EFI, so its will be a fairly straigh forward swap.
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    Woop! Woop! Charlie's crate full of engines/trannies/etc. has arrived!



    including my 2.2 and the VERY important and previously missing Senator gear selector for my 4sp auto tranny. It has microswitches in it that tell the tranny what to do. Very hard to make one in your basement.

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    Does anybody know what this stuff is?

    From a post by Charlie who is trying to put Motronic FI on my 2.2:

    <<< Told this was for adding O2 sensor to 2.2L injection system to reduce taxes or something.

    Anyone know if its worth adding it? Does it make the motor run any better ? Just curious about it... >>>

    O22.jpg O2.jpg

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    If the Motronic is from a C24NE, it needs an oxygen sensor to work, but a stock LE2 Jetronic doesn't need it, there is no connection to the ECU from it either. Years ago in Germany, it was possible to put an auxiliary ECU together with a catalytic converter and oxygen sensor on different non cat engines to reduce the yearly car tax but there is nothing to gain by doing it performance wise, just more parts that can fail. Use the complete Motronic system instead.
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    Thanks! I thought he had gotten that thing for my car, but it was just something that had been thrown in the crate he just got. I just talked with him and it is as you said it was. It was an aftermarket way to add an oxy sensor to a Jetronic FI system. I will be using the Motronic system.


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    i thought there was no real advantage of using motronic? besides emissions?

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    NO!

    nuff said
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Scifi Guy View Post
    That would be the rare GM Nopel.
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    Gary and I's Ascona Wagon headliners arrived:

    White Ascona Wagon Headliner (1).jpg White Ascona Wagon Headliner (2).jpg

    Flipped over with me pinching one of the 5 rod pockets:

    White Ascona Wagon Headliner (3).jpg

    OMG, these headliners are ridiculously simple. "So easy a cave man could do it". There's no contouring at the sides or fancy stitching needed at all, they're just one big rectangle. You could just take a one piece rectangle of fabric, pucker it at the appropriate places where the rods are, fold another piece fabric over the puckers to form rod pockets, run a straight stitch all the way across, and you're done. The rear end has a finished, beaded, edge for where the rear hatch is, I guess I'll find out why when I get my car.

    So, I've now got wheels/tires, a headliner, a RallyBob fuel line doodad, and some window rubber still to come.

    Now I just need a car to put them on......

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    Oh oh
    I didn`t open the blue package where both headliners was inside
    I can`t believe that there must not cutouts for the windows and pilars
    So it is not a painless build in.And the costs is then verry expensive too.
    Is there still a install instruction in the envelope?

    Oh oh
    Norbert

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    The seller did have an option to buy extra material to cover the A, B, C pillars, but they wanted too much money. I don't know about what Gary is planning, but I will be buying and using white vinyl from a local store for the pillars and other places.

    No worries.



    Have you bought a race helmet and fireproof Opel racing suit for when you get your car back yet?


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    Headliner

    Gordon the A and B pillars on the Asconas are not covered with material
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    Man, I really need to get this car here so I can look at it and know what I'm talking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Scifi Guy View Post
    Man, I really need to get this car here so I can look at it and know what I'm talking about.

    I realy realy hope that your wishes come true soon
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