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Hello Everyone,

I might have some good news, if you're wanting a 2.4L and / or an Opel Getrag 240 from Europe. Charles Goin, who is well known around here, is interested (maybe willing is a better way to describe it) in doing a 4th shipment from his contact in Europe. However, he isn't really interested in drumming up enough interested parties who will pay for the shipment when it gets here. I can't really blame him in not being crazy about doing all the leg work to get people to place a commitment on an order of say 5 2.4's. It took him a few months to sell all the engines from the last shipment and I can understand not wanting to pay up front for the whole shipment without having the shipment spoken for beforehand. He doesn't frequent the forum as much as he comments on the various Opel Facebook pages.

So... I was somewhat asked to be the front person to find out how many people would be interested in buying 2.4's. Charles isn't interested in trying to sell rebuilt engines anymore, he really just wants to sell imported donors to people who will either rebuild the engine themselves or have someone besides him do it. He has a machine shop that knows how to work on the CIH now, and some members on here have likely had this machine shop do some of the work on their 2.4 if it came from Charles. Charles is happy to drop off an engine at this shop for you, and have you work with them on creating your engine if that is what you want. He'll also still just ship a donor to you if that is what you choose.

While Charles is a friend of mine, I wouldn't be promoting this if I didn't believe it's a good deal for fellow Opel nuts jobs... oops I mean Opelers. :D I received my 2.4L today (previously I misunderstood the bill of lading and thought I would be picking it up a little over a week ago). My order was for a 2.4L donor engine (block, crank, crank gear, timing chain, 2.4 Head, stock valvetrain, cam, cam gear, and timing cover), 240 Getrag for the CIH, an Isky OR-77 Hydraulic cam, new lifters, 1.9L intake, and 1.9L valve cover. It arrived perfectly fine and really well packaged on a plastic pallet that works great for loading into a truck. While I haven't started cleaning and rebuilding the 240 and the 2.4L, I believe I got a good deal on the parts considering that they need to be rebuilt going into it. Which was my whole plan from the beginning.

Charles takes a lot of stress out of the situation in how he handles the business side of dealing with an international shipment of this size. If you pay attention to German parts sources for these engines, you'll know that they are out there. The problem is getting an engine and a transmission shipped here from Europe for a decent price. Expect to pay at least $800 for a 2.4L to be shipped here from Germany by itself. The cost of shipping a crate full of engines and transmissions decreases the individual cost per engine or transmission. Hence the whole reason why Charles started doing this in the first place.

This thread will be for anyone interested in a donor 2.4L CIH or Getrag 240 for the CIH. You are more than welcome to contact Charles directly (PM me if you want his phone number) or you can just talk to me. I'll be trying to organize interested parties for a 4th shipment. From my understanding, a 4th shipment won't happen until there is at least a few people willing to order for an engine and / or transmission. If you want one, now is probably the time to start speaking up. Charles still has 2.3L turbo diesel crank kits for anyone interested in increasing the displacement of the 1.9L engines. Those kits will be everything you need to turn a 1.9 into a significantly larger displacement engine, with the required boring of the block.

Cheers. :)
 

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Bump in case anyone is interested.
 

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Not a lot of people are engine junkies.
And of the ones that are, not a lot have $3K to spend on one.

Just sayin.
 

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I know. I have one person who is serious about doing this, and there might be a way to make a single engine and trans order economical. That is being looked into. Another option that might be the way to go is an order of 2 engines and 2 transmissions. It all comes down to international shipping sizes and weights that are standardized, and having the right business connections to know who to ship with.

None of this helps me out with anything, doing it as a favor to the Opel community. The source that has the experience to make this happen, doesn't really care to make more shipments happen. So, someone else has to be willing to drum up interest if it is out there. I've already got my engine and trans. :)

I agree though, you have to be willing to drop some serious cash to pursue a 2.4 and a Getrag 240. My 2.4 will likely go past $4k by the time I'm done building it... and the Getrag is starting to look more like a $3k investment. Of course you could pursue these for less than that, my own choices on how to rebuild both of these will definitely be different than most.
 

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its just not feasible unless youre willing to sit on a few motors and getrags..

ask gil and charles.

youre setting yourself up for stress and disappointment. and im sure the more we tell you not to, the more you will do it.

so do it.

ps. if you get people to do it, who's money is gonna be used to acquire them?
 

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Three grand is chump change for a race engine.:lmao:
That’ll get you a good Opel racing head and valvetrain, not much more!
 

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I'm just the hype man, for lack of a better way to describe it. :cool: Charles is the one who would do the hard work. He said he wants any shipment to be 100% spoken for and 50% of the cost to be paid upfront, if he does another shipment. I don't have to be worried about disappointment. It doesn't impact me one bit if another shipment never happens. I already have my engine and trans. This thread, is just me trying to help out anyone who still wants one. Drum up the interest, if there is any left.

This could turn into one 2.4 and one Getrag 240 coming and then no more through Charles. If I remember his count, he has imported 13 engines from Europe during the 3 crates he had shipped. So, the majority of potential interest could have been tapped out already.
 

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I'm just the hype man, for lack of a better way to describe it. :cool: Charles is the one who would do the hard work. He said he wants any shipment to be 100% spoken for and 50% of the cost to be paid upfront, if he does another shipment. I don't have to be worried about disappointment. It doesn't impact me one bit if another shipment never happens. I already have my engine and trans. This thread, is just me trying to help out anyone who still wants one. Drum up the interest, if there is any left.

This could turn into one 2.4 and one Getrag 240 coming and then no more through Charles. If I remember his count, he has imported 13 engines from Europe during the 3 crates he had shipped. So, the majority of potential interest could have been tapped out already.
Hi, by any chance do you know where I can get a 2.4L CIH? Trying to swap out my 1.9 in my Opel GT. Thanks Matt

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Hi, by any chance do you know where I can get a 2.4L CIH? Trying to swap out my 1.9 in my Opel GT. Thanks Matt

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Charles Goin is your contact.

GoinManta is his username here. He's also on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/GoinManta/
And it looks like Twitter also, with the same username.
 

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Ok, I'm just joining here and have always been a fan of performance increases in GTs and Mantas etc. Some by Frankenstein even by fantasies of stuffing a 968 Variocam in one. But then I'm a purist too.

Are there any video of one of these in action? Could you and still can you with effort source the crank? It seems like that's a the key element here, correct? The only other parts needed are the 2.4L pistons/rods right?

Those are my questions, the rest of this is just rambling.



I do understand that something like this with that kind of displacement increase will also need a really good knife-edging, lightening and balancing of the crank and everything... a better oil pump if possible, bigger sump of course (MUCH, MUCH bigger), center mount sump cooler/lines/thermostat/etc, bigger radiator, electric fan, head/valve work, cam grinding, fly cutting, compression boost, intake, carbs or EFI, exhaust, flywheel/clutch work, getrag conversion....

Oh, being a purest, is there an Opel solution here instead of using a 930 K27 turbo and have we figured out a solid solution (lol) to a stronger differential? Heck, my only problem now is the crap poor head flow of the 1.9 CIH.

Anyway, seriously... I'd would like to know more about this and how it may impact balance of the engine, performance, driveability, etc.
 

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Could you and still can you with effort source the crank? It seems like that's a the key element here, correct? The only other parts needed are the 2.4L pistons/rods right?
You can fit a 2.4 crank, rods and pistons into a 1.9 block. The block needs to be bored from 93 mm to 95 mm. Some clearancing for rod throws required too.



I do understand that something like this with that kind of displacement increase will also need a really good knife-edging, lightening and balancing of the crank and everything... a better oil pump if possible, bigger sump of course (MUCH, MUCH bigger), center mount sump cooler/lines/thermostat/etc, bigger radiator, electric fan, head/valve work, cam grinding, fly cutting, compression boost, intake, carbs or EFI, exhaust, flywheel/clutch work, getrag conversion....
That totally depends on what you’re trying to achieve. The stock 1.5-2.4 oil pumps are all the same size. I’ve found it to be adequate to about 8800 rpms. Bigger oil sump (with baffles and trap doors) is nice if you are cornering hard enough and revving it high, but on a relatively low-revving 2.4 (peak power at 4800 rpms!) it’s overkill.

Cooling system upgrades are typically recommended however. Getrag is stronger of course, and has the .805 overdrive, but again, not absolutely necessary with a stock 2.4.

Oh, being a purest, is there an Opel solution here instead of using a 930 K27 turbo and have we figured out a solid solution (lol) to a stronger differential? Heck, my only problem now is the crap poor head flow of the 1.9 CIH.
It’s a bit of a tight fit for turbos on Manta. On a GT it’s downright claustrophobic. Aside from that, an old school K27 is pretty big and inefficient compared to some modern turbos. Check out the Garett GTX or Borg Warner EFR turbos, they have models that are substantially smaller, have far less lag, and will make far more power. I helped a friend upgrade a K27/K26 hybrid on his Audi, we went with a GTX Garrett and made 120 whp more and at lower boost. And the spoolup was insane.

The 1.9 head can be upgraded with larger valves. Properly ported it can surpass a stock Opel 2.4 head with ease.

Or you could put even larger valves into a 2.2 or 2.4 head and get airflow comparable to many 16-valve heads.
 

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Bigger brakes won't probably hurt either. For example 296mm x 28mm front discs and calipers from a Cadillac Catera. The Catera discs must be re-drilled to the Opel Manta bolt pattern and the center hole must also be enlarged to the Opel Manta disc specs. A bigger master cylinder is needed too, like the 23,81mm one from a Commodore, Senator or Monza.
 

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Thanks all,

Yeah, that crank retrofit is certainly interesting. If I remember correctly there were GM (chevy) valves that would actually work in the 1.9 heads for larger valves. What's out there in the way of more radical cams?

I'll check out the Garrett turbo. It would be interesting to see some pics of plumbing and I'll try to look for some later.



Oh, and a PORSCH is something that a person wastes a lot of good money on that could be much better spent on a nice GT. :D

In fact new P&C's alone for my '76 911s stock 2.7 rebuild would buy many average (#4 to #3) GTs. The engine rebuild alone could possibly purchase a concurs #1 GT.




BTW, desperately looking for a VIN #93xxxxxxx original 1.1. I'm Looking at the yellow one on ebay right now, but worried. Seeing the VIN plate is missing from the firewall bulkhead as well as the door.

FWIW, I bought the three rust buckets from Missouri about a month ago hoping that one of them was a 1.1. I didn't ask for VINs (and really didn't care with the deal I eventually got them for) but it looks like someone put a 1.1L drive train in a 1970 VIN #94 chassis. I've got an archive request in with Opel just to be sure, however, the front suspension is definitely a 1.9 with three leaf springs. I Have the worst one stripped and ready to go to soda blaster in the next week or two, then we'll see what the sheet metal gods can do for me. What's the deal with Suselbeek and Opel's Unlimited. Anyone ever purchased from either of those outfits?
 

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A missing VIN plate isn't a big deal, as you can get a blank one and put what is needed on it. As long as you are only reproducing it, and have a title to confirm the VIN, this is not illegal. But, if the car is also missing the title, then you wouldn't know the VIN.

A model 94 car would be a 1.9L, Opel wouldn't have made a mistake like that I don't think. So if it has a 1.1L, then someone did an engine swap. I'd say for a 1.1L, it needs to be as numbers matching as possible. While the engine number was never connected to the VIN on a vehicle and the only way to know would be to get Opel to dig up 50 year old records, not many model 93's were made. If you really want a 1.1L, I'd restore it to factory correct condition. That's the only reason why a 1.1L would be desirable. If you wanted to modify anything on a GT, even in the slightest way, then you're better off getting a 1.9L.
 

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Yup, my thoughts exactly... keep a 1.1L resto as original as possible (or a purchase on one as original as possible). Also my thoughts on that 94 # car, but just to be sure.... The engine block is a correct stamping for a GT 1100 block. (SR I believe?)

We'll see what I can dig up. I searched the forums pretty good here and there's a member (Gordy) that may have one for sale, I've got a PM out to him. Also got a thread out in the "cars wanted" here too.

There are some other issues that I'm seeing with that yellow one on Ebay that concern me, but I'm going to do more research put some thought into it.


Where can I get the blank VIN plate? And are their outfits making the door stickers?

Thanks again!!
 

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Thanks all,

Yeah, that crank retrofit is certainly interesting. If I remember correctly there were GM (chevy) valves that would actually work in the 1.9 heads for larger valves. What's out there in the way of more radical cams?

I'll check out the Garrett turbo. It would be interesting to see some pics of plumbing and I'll try to look for some later.



Oh, and a PORSCH is something that a person wastes a lot of good money on that could be much better spent on a nice GT. :D

In fact new P&C's alone for my '76 911s stock 2.7 rebuild would buy many average (#4 to #3) GTs. The engine rebuild alone could possibly purchase a concurs #1 GT.




BTW, desperately looking for a VIN #93xxxxxxx original 1.1. I'm Looking at the yellow one on ebay right now, but worried. Seeing the VIN plate is missing from the firewall bulkhead as well as the door.

FWIW, I bought the three rust buckets from Missouri about a month ago hoping that one of them was a 1.1. I didn't ask for VINs (and really didn't care with the deal I eventually got them for) but it looks like someone put a 1.1L drive train in a 1970 VIN #94 chassis. I've got an archive request in with Opel just to be sure, however, the front suspension is definitely a 1.9 with three leaf springs. I Have the worst one stripped and ready to go to soda blaster in the next week or two, then we'll see what the sheet metal gods can do for me. What's the deal with Suselbeek and Opel's Unlimited. Anyone ever purchased from either of those outfits?
1.1 GTs had a three leaf spring as well. I have probably the earliest known 1.1 in the USA at my shop currently
 

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Yup, my thoughts exactly... keep a 1.1L resto as original as possible (or a purchase on one as original as possible). Also my thoughts on that 94 # car, but just to be sure.... The engine block is a correct stamping for a GT 1100 block. (SR I believe?)

We'll see what I can dig up. I searched the forums pretty good here and there's a member (Gordy) that may have one for sale, I've got a PM out to him. Also got a thread out in the "cars wanted" here too.

There are some other issues that I'm seeing with that yellow one on Ebay that concern me, but I'm going to do more research put some thought into it.


Where can I get the blank VIN plate? And are their outfits making the door stickers?

Thanks again!!
A 69 GT did not have a door decal with the VIN number until around 10 or 11 of 69. Which would be 70 Models for us in the States. What Vin tag do you need? The top of the dash or the cowl tag? The VIN plate on the dash is commonly missing and I do not know anyone reproducing those ( I am currently working on something for them). Now if you need a blank data cowl tag, I do have those available. I’m working on door decals by the way...but not close to ready for that service yet
 
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