[Washout]

Has anyone looked at Squire Turbo chargers. They are remote mounted removing the issues of no space under the hood. They also move the extra heat out from under the hood. I heard about a demo that was done on "two guys garage" but I haven't seen it myself. Here is a link to the companies website. Squire turbos

Just wondering what you guys think.

 

[opelwasp]

4 grand for only 5 lbs of boost? yah right! what a rip. get a vortech super charger and 2.0 injection, megasquirt, and youll smoke that system. and youll only be out about 2500

 

[Washout]

Your right opelwasp, I hadn't seen the price until after I made the post. That is pretty steep! I do like the concept though, Nobody says we have to buy their rig, maybe we just borrow the concept.

 

[benncojr]

I alwas thought it would be a good idea to move the turbo away from the eng. This folks did it and make it sound a little easy. This does not look that hard to fabercate and could solve some space trouble with the GT. I will have to bow down to others that do this a lot more to say it can or can not be done (Bob and Dave would know).

 

[simplemind7]

so is this just a regular turbo, except in a different spot with about an 8 foot intake pipe? then where do they get $4000 from? from the looks of it, if you got a welder you could probably pick up a better turbo off ebay, get some pipe and weld it up custom, shouldn't be more than $500, am i missing something here?

 

[BetaCarotene]

if you thought the Gt didnt have alot of space for a turbo check out with mini

http://www.miniwilliams.co.uk/all.html

 

[gtzero]

The more I read about this approach, the more I like it. Except for the price. But DAMN! It sounds BRILLIANT!

Wait a second, if you factor in the cost of intercoolers, then maybe the $4K isn't so out of line. I'll have to go back and see how much my turbo/intercooler setup cost on my twinturbo 300ZX.

Makes you go hhhhmmmmmmm...............

 

[nobody]

It made me laugh. On a speed bump you go from taking out a muffler to taking out a turbo. On a drag raced car it would be fine, on a street car it is just funny to imagine that long of a turbo lag. you step on it at a green light and it creeps off and 3/4 of a block later it takes off. You could set the idle at 3000 to keep up the boost but it might be hard on clutches. This is a drag racing idea not for street.

On this I'm not laughing with you. I originally figured this to be the april fools joke.

 

[gtzero]

I just saw this being hooked up on a C6 Corvette on the Speed Channel. I was just flipping through my favorite channels and stumbled on this show, I think it was called Gears. They are building this Vette to be given away. They are claiming 650hp with a twin turbo version of this remote turbo idea. The kit was engineered quite nicely. All the new tubing was hidden away behind body panels. They didn't finish the install on the episode I watched. I think it was late Tuesday night here on the West Coast. I'm curious to see it hooked up and running to see the final numbers.

I'm thinking all that extra tubing and oil lines are pretty heavy. But with 650hp, that's not a big deal. But on our GTs, would it make sense? What do you guys think?

 

[opelwasp]

It all comes down to turbo llaaaaggggg. You're gonna have a lot. You have to pressurize the entire turbo plumbing with enough air to get it to even get air to the intake. Having 1/3 sec turbo lag is annoying enough, imagine 5 or even 10 second turbo lag. Whats the point? Having a bigger air pump(more pistons) would lessen the problem, but I want an Opel not a GT gasser.

 

[wrench459 (R.I.P.)]

Which is denser hot air or cold?
turbo lag what about the Delta factor?

 

[oldopelguy]

So does the kit come with an oil catch container for the turbo to drain to and a pump to get the oil back to the engine? Or is there just a recirculating pump and it's own oil supply all out back? Is it just an oil-cooled turbo or oil/water?

Can you even imagine how disturbing it would be to drive over any little thing in the road knowing it could break loose a high pressure oil line or coolant line exposed under the car? I guess you could run it all inside the car, though I don't know if I like that much better....

 

[Turbo X]

after seeing the videos, they don't seem to have a problem with the lagggg ,,,what a nice system.

 

[victrolakid]

sorry to bring this thread up again, but I am looking at this turbo system and thinking that it wouldnt be that hard to fabricate my own version. I do however have a couple of questions. first would I live in Southern california and I am wondering if this turbo would make my engine run so hot that i wouldnt be able to drive my car in the summer, so i guess the real question would be how much heat does a set up like this create? Next having the turbo this far away does it still need oil/cooling lines, or is it a self contaned unit? third and final queestion is if i did fabricate this system, how much boost is safe to run in a hi compression engine, and is the turbo going to cut my engine life drastically?
thanks for all the info and i am sorry if these are ignorant questions.
Sterling

 

[jordan]

sorry to bring this thread up again, but I am looking at this turbo system and thinking that it wouldnt be that hard to fabricate my own version. I do however have a couple of questions. first would I live in Southern california and I am wondering if this turbo would make my engine run so hot that i wouldnt be able to drive my car in the summer, so i guess the real question would be how much heat does a set up like this create? Next having the turbo this far away does it still need oil/cooling lines, or is it a self contaned unit? third and final queestion is if i did fabricate this system, how much boost is safe to run in a hi compression engine, and is the turbo going to cut my engine life drastically?
thanks for all the info and i am sorry if these are ignorant questions.
Sterling

The heat is a relative question, convection or radiation? There will be an increase in both. You would probably be more concerned with the added convection heat is going to be transferred from something like the engine block to a fluid (coolant) and then to the radiator where the will be transferred to the surrounding air. Solution to added convection heat? Larger or more efficient radiator(s). Coolant lines for the turbo are not necessary depending on model, application, and load; not a bad idea if you ask me. It will need oil lines routed to it or else you may end up with a smaller paper weight and a larger boat anchor. Boost that you can run depends on the actual compression ratio, and primarily the fuel system, and state of tune. I am yet to boost a CIH so can't give any numbers. How well the system comes together and works will determine engine life. Will it shorten it in general...yes. Drastically? It depends, catastrophic failure on the initial start up, or worn bearings in 90,000 miles, it's tough to tell.

 

[paul.catherine]

4 grand for only 5 lbs of boost? yah right! what a rip. get a vortech super charger and 2.0 injection, megasquirt, and youll smoke that system. and youll only be out about 2500

Ya know NOW - the price is WAY down from a few years ago on a Squires unit (http://www.ststurbo.com/home):

I wrote them, and the current price is 1995 for a 1 turbo unit, 2995 for a twin turbo, not including installation, which you can do, or several "dealers" can install one for you (I did not check that cost out)...

Alot cheaper than 4000 bucks - but then I ran into this deal, which seemed almost too good to be true - and very confusing... seems like the sameT3T4 unit for an Opel GT, at a wide spread of prices... any ideas or background on this one? Here:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Opel...r_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item3caa16fa1a

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Opel...r_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item3ca5ee31ae

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Opel...r_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item518a7acc1f

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Opel...r_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item3ef5ec0ed7

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Opel...r_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item3ca8a08766

Thanks!
Paul
Flagstaff AZ
73 Yellow GT :drive:

 

[paul.catherine]

I should also note that there is no reported turbo lag in all the tests, it is tucked in nicely, and it seems like alot better kit than many kits (the Squires unit)... curious... Paul

 

[ghcoe]

Alot cheaper than 4000 bucks - but then I ran into this deal, which seemed almost too good to be true - and very confusing... seems like the sameT3T4 unit for an Opel GT, at a wide spread of prices... any ideas or background on this one? Here:

I posted a link to these a few weeks back. Price seems too good to be true but, they have a 99+ positive feedback and over 5000 sales.

 

[paul.catherine]

I posted a link to these a few weeks back. Price seems too good to be true but, they have a 99+ positive feedback and over 5000 sales.

hmmm... tempting! I presume there is different "stuff" in each incrementally increased price, for the "same Turbo kit" for those eBay eworld turbos? Or are there several deals competing out there, I wonder... looks like you get a stripped system and add components, but still not bad starting at 299...

I did not see a way to phone them, I guess one is stuck with posting an email question to them to explain the variations... for the amount of money to put down I'd wanna be able to talk to someone first... that's just me...

BTW the Squires FAQ answers alot of the original questions above - presuming they are accurate:
http://www.ststurbo.com/f_a_q_

Thanks!

Paul

 

[RallyBob]

Alot cheaper than 4000 bucks - but then I ran into this deal, which seemed almost too good to be true - and very confusing... seems like the sameT3T4 unit for an Opel GT, at a wide spread of prices... any ideas or background on this one? Here:

Generic 'kit'.

Basically it's just*some* of the raw parts required to put a turbo kit together. You'll need a turbo exhaust manifold....there's no room in a GT to place a T3/T4 turbo near the stock exhaust outlet, so you'll have to come up with that solution on your own. And you'd still need an EFI manifold/big injectors/fuel line/fuel pump, and standalone ECU to make it work.

I'm also wary of the Chinese knock-off turbos that are being sold. They are patterned off the Garrett T3/T4 turbos, but obviously made for far less...a cheap Garrett alone costs over $600, and they're selling this kit for far less. I've heard from guys who've bought the knock-off turbos that they can last a month or maybe a year, then they're shot. FWIW...