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Tipping!

It's utter BS the way tipping has gone in the US.
Now there are jobs that actually EXPECT a tip as part of the service.
We pay for a service, then have to add money, out of the goodness of our hearts, just so the end service provider can make ends meet.

It's crap!

When I go to a sit down restaurant, and get good service, I should decide to add a little extra for my server or not.

Goes back to my history.
My dad used to hang out in coffee shops. He was addicted tot he coffee shop thing. For him, it was like an internet addiction.
He tipped. The waitresses knew him by name. They asked how his day was. They knew many of his life stories. On the rare occasion I went to a coffee shop with him, they knew who I was.

Now you can go to a restaurant and they EXPECT you to just drop an extra 20% for not spitting in your food.

Heaven forbid they don't get $10 on a $50 meal when all they really did was save you the hassle of ordering at a counter and picking up your own food.
It's crap!

It's gotten really bad.
You want a pizza delivered? Tip the driver. Yeah, that's old school. Now you pay a few bucks from someone to bring you McDonalds and the driver EXPECTs a few more dollars.

OK, Maybe that's not so bad, right? (I don't have food delivered to me. I'm lazy but not THAT lazy).

So, why am I inspired to type this? Because it's all CRAP!

Every Thanksgiving I have Pizza. Yeah, sue me but it's so much easier than any of the pageantry of a day of the week.
I always order a take-n-bake pizza or three. (Yes, I have people that come to my house for Pizza on Turkey day).
This year I ordered online at Papa Murphy's. And what pizzed me off is they had the AUDACITY to put an auto tipper in the checkout. TWENTY-FIVE PERCENT!!!

Are you flipping kidding me? They make a cold pizza that I have to cook myself. They hand it to me across a counter. They don't even have a single moment of interaction besides handing me the pizza.
FWIW, that's $60 of pizza and they want $15 "gratuity" to hand me the pizza? JEEBUS FLIPPIN CHRISTMAS.

OK, wait a second? Hold on.

I have a genius idea.

Let's make tipping normal. No, seriously. 25% gratuity for everything and it goes directly to the worker and bypasses the stingy boss's hands.
I can get behind this!

This year my department will produce over $4,000,000 in product. Kinda just like the pizzas. All we do is assemble the pieces.
I think sending $1,000,000 my way, on the customer's dime, would be a great idea. I mean, I have to split it with the crew but still. that's $50,000 each.

I'm going to start billing the company's customers 25% gratuity on all orders. Yup. that's what we should do.

END TIPPING AS A FORM OF COMPENSATION!!!!

People! STOP working for "tips". Work for a wage. Provide excellent service if you want a tip. Don't spit on our door-dash order just because we didn't send you EXTRA money.
 

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Pedal Smasher
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It's not just France that doesn't really do tipping. Most of Europe doesn't operate like this. It's somewhat of an American thing, to need to tip for many things. I call it business greed. The company won't pay an honest wage because they expect the customer to provide that for their employee. The same can also be said about minimum wage. Companies won't provide an honest wage because they believe it's okay to pay someone a crap wage, or else their profits would suffer. If your company can't afford to pay someone a decent wage without massively jacking up your prices, well then you cannot afford to be in business.
 

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Yup. We've been under paying people for years. Also, the tip thing allows them to post a lower initial price than the pizzas should actually cost if everyone on the payroll got a fair wage. That $60 for pizza should have been $75. The tip thing for servers is so unfair. If the cook, who is a high skill worker and usually gets paid a decent wage screws up your meal, what do many people do? They short change the waitress. So, the waitress gets screwed when it was the cook's fault. I worked for tips for many years and have a lot of sympathy for tip/wage workers. I almost always over tip at 20-25% because I know that servers are the bottom of the food chain when it comes to pay. That one extra dollar makes a HUGE difference for someone who's getting paid $7 an hour.
 

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Let's face it, tipping didn't start because people wanted to help the poor working class but because rich people wanted better service. Ten, twenty or more percent is meaningless to them, but good service is. That has morphed into if you want any service, you need to tip. It's our own fault getting sucked in.

Last summer we visited our daughter in Oakland so we went for a ride up the coast to see the sights. We decided to stop for local oysters. You ordered and paid up front so you tipped in advance. $150 for 24 oysters so you can guess the tip which was pre-calculated but I like Gordon usually added more Our young waitress drops off the plates but there are no napkins at our table. I ask but am ignored. So I get up and find some. I made a comment when I returned to our table about the lack of service. The group of guys at the next table hear me and start making comments. Luckily I didn't hear them but the rest of my group did. When the waitress returned finally with some napkins, the guys at the table starting telling her what a great waitress she was and anyone should be honored to have her serve them. So let's reward non-existent service with praise. I was the jerk.
 

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"Service" like all of the above shouldn't be tipped as a percentage of the cost, this doesn't make any sense at all. It takes less time to serve oysters for 150 bucks than to clean up plates and keep your drinks full in a 8 Dollar all you can eat Chinese restaurant.

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Sorry , am I missing something here? Who the heck pays $60 for a Pizza? Unless you're ordering multiple pizza's and failed to explain it.
If the said Pizza is cold and assuming you are taking it home to cook then wht not go to a food store and get frozen?
 

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"I always order a take-n-bake pizza or three."

I assumed this order was three.
Correct.

As for the store bought pizzas. I can't really customize them much. They also don't have the right kind of crust that I like.
When I eat fresh from the oven pizza, I eat the entire crust. If it's a couple days old, well, case by case.
 
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Some food for thought. Everything the channel states is backed up in the description with links to the facts used.
 

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I hate pizza.

But I love pizza rolls.
 
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So, nobody is willing to back me up on getting a tip for the millions of dollars of product I produce? Why not?
I feel just as underpaid as anyone else. Why can't I get tips?

I think I'll put a mandatory tip on everything I send to the shipping department. Or, wait, that might be a bad idea because, if you think about it, the waiter/waitress are really just shipping your meal. The shipping department might keep the tip. Maybe that's what's really happening.
Sure, waiting tables is a hand delivery but it's not different than the Amazon driver. Hand delivery, right?

WHY is "food" a different industry? Why are we limiting tipping for food?
WAIT!! We don't. You tip the boy who takes your bags to your hotel room. You tip the guy that brings you your car. Heck, you LET some dude drive your expensive car and then PAY him.
Some people even tip the person that cleans their hotel room.

OH! I get it... It's the "service" industry.

Why don't we tip our plumbers? They come to your house, provide a service, and even, sort of, are in the food industry. Just the end user side of it.

We could tip the electrician. The roof guy. You name it. Anyone that provides a service.

Dudes mowing lawns get tips. So do taxi drivers. Why don't bus drivers get tips?

It's all carp!

And, still, why are we tipping Subway sandwich makers but not McDonald's workers?
Face it, at Subway you even have to tell them HOW to make a dang sandwich each time. And you TIP THEM??!!

Why are we tipping a taxi driver that's likely to get you killed the way they drive but the airline pilot, who has a MUCH tougher job, doesn't get squat?

Why does tipping make sense?

END IT ALREADY!!
 
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We went to Maui years ago. Stayed at the Hyatt Resort. When we got to the room the toilet didn’t work. Called down for service and a half hour later the plumber showed up. When he was done he dilly dallied, hanging around waiting for a tip. I opened the door and thanked him and he grudgingly left. That was my first and last time I’ll ever go to Hawaii. I’ve never seen more people with hands out in my life. Seemed like they wanted tips for just being there.
 

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I think the only people who should work for tips are strippers. Everyone else should be paid at least a decent wage.
Why strippers?
The only time I ever tipped a stripper was so my girlfriend could sit at the meat rack and get a little extra attention.
It's a story I'm sure she's still telling 15 years later.
 
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Why strippers?
Because they can make far more on tips than an hourly wage in that business, at least at a popular strip club. I also can't blame hookers, strippers, and porn stars for seeing easy money and cashing in on it. If I was a sexy woman, I sure would exploit men for being simple minded. Men are also in this industry but let's be real here, the top earners are female. Women are not so easily separated from their money, unless we're talking about clothes and makeup.
 

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Because they can make far more on tips than an hourly wage in that business, at least at a popular strip club. I also can't blame hookers, strippers, and porn stars for seeing easy money and cashing in on it. If I was a sexy woman, I sure would exploit men for being simple minded. Men are also in this industry but let's be real here, the top earners are female. Women are not so easily separated from their money, unless we're talking about clothes and makeup.
And that's why people work for tips. Because they "can" make more than an hourly wage. But, just like strippers, after a while they feel entitled to those tips and give crappy service when they don't get the tip.
 

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And that's why people work for tips. Because they "can" make more than an hourly wage. But, just like strippers, after a while they feel entitled to those tips and give crappy service when they don't get the tip.
There is a big difference between tips from stripping and tips from waitressing. Waiters and waitresses usually don't make more than what they could earn doing the same job but only for an hourly wage. Both still have to deal with jerks on a daily basis but the earning potential is not comparable.
 

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There is a big difference between tips from stripping and tips from waitressing. Waiters and waitresses usually don't make more than what they could earn doing the same job but only for an hourly wage. Both still have to deal with jerks on a daily basis but the earning potential is not comparable.
Depends on the venue.

A stripper at a nudist colony is probably going to make way less in tips than an ice cream vendor at a fat camp.
 
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