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· Opeler
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I've often told my wife and my friends that I'm not happy unless I'm tinkering or designing/building/testing something new for my Opel GT. Each person has to decide waht part of this hooby brings them joy. For me, being an engineer, I am cursed, yes I say CURSED with having to continually tinker and expand my knowledge and innovation with the Opel GT. I get more enjoyment out of something custom I built versus driving the car. Don't get me wrong, every time I drive my Opel GT I'm smiling ear to ear! but then...I must start again with a new project! I think Gordo understands, don't you Gordo!
 

· Bikini Inspector
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I've often told my wife and my friends that I'm not happy unless I'm tinkering or designing/building/testing something new for my Opel GT. Each person has to decide waht part of this hooby brings them joy. For me, being an engineer, I am cursed, yes I say CURSED with having to continually tinker and expand my knowledge and innovation with the Opel GT. I get more enjoyment out of something custom I built versus driving the car. Don't get me wrong, every time I drive my Opel GT I'm smiling ear to ear! but then...I must start again with a new project! I think Gordo understands, don't you Gordo!
The tinkering I love, I just don't think I have the brain sells or bandwidth while raising kids and work to be able to grasp the efi stuff. I think it's GT hound that is posting all kinds of tweaks and such and I just do not have the energy to learn it.

Tinkering in everything else though, I have the desire and energy for.
 

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The tinkering I love, I just don't think I have the brain sells or bandwidth while raising kids and work to be able to grasp the efi stuff. I think it's GT hound that is posting all kinds of tweaks and such and I just do not have the energy to learn it.

Tinkering in everything else though, I have the desire and energy for.
I’d say you don’t have the brain cells….at least when you typed that one up! Haha!

Kids and other stuff take up my time. My car could be tweaked more, just hasn’t been a priority. I did sent a file out a few times and had it tweaked and sent back to me. Major (not minor!) differences between changes. Tweaks with the Sniper make a big difference, just have to know how to do it or know someone that knows what to do.

Brain sells….hahaha!
 

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I’d say you don’t have the brain cells….at least when you typed that one up! Haha!

Kids and other stuff take up my time. My car could be tweaked more, just hasn’t been a priority. I did sent a file out a few times and had it tweaked and sent back to me. Major (not minor!) differences between changes. Tweaks with the Sniper make a big difference, just have to know how to do it or know someone that knows what to do.

Brain sells….hahaha!
I'd like to blame that one on voice to text but I hand typed that shiz.
 

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The tinkering I love, I just don't think I have the brain sells or bandwidth while raising kids and work to be able to grasp the efi stuff. I think it's GT hound that is posting all kinds of tweaks and such and I just do not have the energy to learn it.

Tinkering in everything else though, I have the desire and energy for.

I knew absolutely freakin' NUTHIN' about FI 4-5 years ago. I never knew what any of the gizmos under my modern car's hoods did. I never paid one bit of attention to any of the FI posts on this site. I ended up with a rebuilt 2.4 with FI in my basement, from Charlie, for a Manta Wagon project that I ended up giving to RallyBob. My GTX car's engine was rebuilt poorly and I needed an engine, so I installed the FI one and then it was off to the races. As you may have observed, I had lots of trouble getting it right, but it's now finally dialed in. If not for all that I still wouldn't know a dang thing about FI and I'd still be running the single side draft and be happy as heck.
 

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The tinkering I love, I just don't think I have the brain sells or bandwidth while raising kids and work to be able to grasp the efi stuff. I think it's GT hound that is posting all kinds of tweaks and such and I just do not have the energy to learn it.

Tinkering in everything else though, I have the desire and energy for.
For me, the switch to EFI, especially the tuning is fun, not stress.

I didn’t mean to scare you off! I am just posting to capture the journey to EFI and share the learning.

I never could get the carburetor dialed in right on my car and knew I was leaving potential on the table. Plus I had to have the idle set above 1000 RPM to keep it from dying in my hilly neighborhood. I was lacking a box full of jets and feedback mechanism. Although it did run a lot better with the f66 emulsion tubes. Also, it ran great at 3,500-4,500 Respecially with the rallybob style tented intake. But it still tended to stumble at lower RPMs (which is where it spends most of its time on the street).

I honestly don’t think that there is an easy bolt on solution. If you have a carb and can find a rallybob style tented manifold get it. I could not find one, so bought a TIG welder, learned how to weld and built one. That manifold should also work great with a sniper type system where the throttle body injection replaces the carburetor. The Opel fuel injection systems I am aware of are limited or require customization. There are many paths to better induction, but none of them shine in my mind as a quick and easy off the shelf options.

Most of my headaches with my EFI build were self imposed (vacuum leaks, sensor compatibility, wiring of IAC, fuel pressure regulator leaks, etc). With sniper these components are all matched and parts of the integrated system. The bad news with the sniper is that it does not put the fuel right where it is needed (at each cylinder) and instead puts it in the bottom of a flat plenum. This is not the best with a carburetor and is worse with throttle body injection like sniper where the atomization is not as fine. It can lead to a puddle of fuel on the plenum.

I wanted great throttle response and the EFI has delivered.

I wanted my car to run great all days, not just certain weather conditions. EFI has delivered.

I wanted more torque down low. I think the 1975 FI manifold long runners have improved my torque.

I wanted more airflow (I believe my tented ported downdraft intake was much improved, but the runners were still a restriction) until I installed the 1975 FI manifold. I now have more power. However. I believe I would now benefit from more head work now for even more CFM airflow.

In prepping for EFI, I got my electrical system Right and delivering a consistent 14.5 volts. This made a difference whether EFI or not.

also in prepping for EFI, I removed the fuel tank to install an in tank fuel pump. At that time I found and fixed the leak at the bottom of my fuel tank. What a dream to not have gasoline fumes in the car and garage anymore!

I wanted my car to run all the time like it did at a certain magical spot like my carb did. Now, it was very consistently a strong performer everywhere (load / rpm range). the carb did have that one magical thing it could do 10% of the time. Now I have something better 90% of the time.

There is no need to always be tuning. It is fine and reliable to drive as is. No lap top required. That said, I really do like the extra data provided while driving on the hand held gauge monitor.

If you are an optimizer and want to get the most out of your car, you need to tune it. Or find somebody who can tune it. Whether carbs or EFI. For me EFI was just more accessible. Although now that I have a wide band O2 sensor and understand it, I might actually be able to tune a carb better.

The true test…. I drive my car a lot more now. So, it just works, and it is fun!
 

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I’ll say this, most fuel injection systems on Opels with modified engines are a headache. Factory or aftermarket. So my answer to your question is “No”
I’ll back it up though, I’ve had at least 3 Opels here that went from Fuel Injection back to carburetors because of all the problems resulting from EFI. Then we got all the forum members who have had issues with them. Gordo recently included. Dan (Wrench452) he has a pretty slick custom setup on his GT, and was a wizard of such when it came to tuning on the setup…you know how far he drove it? To the end of his driveway. It never was right. Charlie will get on here and tell you how great it is, but how good is it when a car kicks back and eats up starters and flywheel gears and just doesn’t work, and after throwing money at it still doesn’t work out?
Fuel injection has its place, but if you have to have it tuned to run, it’s going to be headaches. So short answer is No, it’s not a benefit if you don’t want a bunch of hiccups.
Even GoldGT lost a bunch of his programming and has had a whirlwind of issues. It isn’t going to work correctly right out of the box.
now I’ve put stock EFI from a 2.0 on a 1.9 and had it going great, then I’ve had the same setup on another car that had problems twice. The Sniper seems like a easy setup, but like the original question of changing the tune to optimal, was it a headache or not
 

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I must say that I have been driving with an empty passenger seat these days (meaning that I don’t drive with the laptop anymore). For me now that I got through the EFI start up / set up curve, the EFI just works.

Today was gorgeous day: sunny, 67F, no bugs, no pollen, no humidity. That will all change soon, but I figured I should take advantage of it. I jumped in the ‘71 GT, hit the key, it started right up and went for a drive after work. I was loving punching it on the windy roads and how it seems to jump with a touch of the accelerator. I wanted a little more torque, but hopefully the 2.4L engine I am building will solve that.

After pulling in the drive way and shutting it off. I decided it was so much fun that I wanted to do it again. So I hit the key and it fired right up. So, for me the car has been very consistent and reliable on EFI (once I got through the early wonky days of fuel leaks and vacuum leaks). I hope that stays true over the years. It is sad to hear that I am an outlier, but it sounds like I am.

It will be interesting to see if my modernized ‘75 EFI / Holley Terminator X plays nicely with the 2.4 liter torque monster build.
 

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Although not multiport injection the Sniper 1100 installation on the stock 1.9L engine has been running exceptionally well. My son Forrest has been driving it every nice day here in Ohio. He's commented on how the response and acceleration is so much smoother than the Weber carb was. Also has been more reliable in the cold weather.
 
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