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Crank pulleys and such

I'd been running a stock, single groove crank pulley on my 1.9 SSD40 engine and was always somewhat aggravated by a bit of fanbelt squeal, even though I use a clutch fan '75 WP. This engine built RPMs so quickly that there was really no cure for it without putting excessive force on the WP shaft bearings with too much tension on the belt . . . it's a new, "external mass" belt, BTW, so I know it's not the belt.

Then I aggravated this problem even further by installing my blueprinted, ported, big valve HC 2.15 SSD48 in it's place . . . gobs of torque and it builds RPMs even quicker than my 1.9 did. HAD to resolve that squeal problem somehow. New engine idles at about 1150 RPM with a slight "rump, rump", 1.9 idled at about 900 RPM.

Did a few calculations and, taking the ever present Texas heat into consideration, came up with the idea (thanks, R-Bob) to reduce the crank pulley diameter by ~15%. While I was fabricating this (Toyota crank pulleys), I also changed it to a dual groove type for a future project. Now for every 1000 RPMs of crank speed, the WP and alternator drive belt speed is reduced to an equivalent effective speed of 850 RPM. :)

Squeal's now gone and have tested combo during hottest part of the day with temp gauge never exceeding a half mark left of center. "Seat of pants" tells me that it accelerates somewhat smoother through the gears too. All in all, a VERY worthwhile undertaking and perhaps an idea to consider for other members' "Hot Rod" engines.
 

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tekenaar said:
I'd been running a stock, single groove crank pulley on my 1.9 SSD40 engine and was always somewhat aggravated by a bit of fanbelt squeal, even though I use a clutch fan '75 WP. This engine built RPMs so quickly that there was really no cure for it without putting excessive force on the WP shaft bearings with too much tension on the belt . . . it's a new, "external mass" belt, BTW, so I know it's not the belt.

Did a few calculations and, taking the ever present Texas heat into consideration, came up with the idea (thanks, R-Bob) to reduce the crank pulley diameter by ~15%. While I was fabricating this (Toyota crank pulleys), I also changed it to a dual groove type for a future project. Now for every 1000 RPMs of crank speed, the WP and alternator drive belt speed is reduced to an equivalent effective speed of 850 RPM. :)

Squeal's now gone and have tested combo during hottest part of the day with temp gauge never exceeding a half mark left of center. "Seat of pants" tells me that it accelerates somewhat smoother through the gears too. All in all, a VERY worthwhile undertaking and perhaps an idea to consider for other members' "Hot Rod" engines.
What type of crank pulley did you come up with Otto? I'm getting near the point of pulling the front pulley to replace the front seal and now would be the time to upgrade. Thanks, Jarrell
 

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Dell'Orto DHLA48 SSD

N61WP said:
Otto,

Tell us more about this 48 you are using....please!

Jc

45 project in the works
Using single DHLA48 (44% larger than 40) with 41 chokes (venturis) and bored, welded and ported original Steinmetz SSD manifold to fit my new, tuned DellOrto. Engine is blueprinted and balanced 94mm x 77.5mm (2150cc), 10.7CR with ported '72 1.9 12-bolt head with 45I/38E valves. Bored cold air plate to 48mm and used 48mm x 15mm trumpets and lots of fabricated, one-off pieces.

Not bragging but, believe it or not, it runs on 87RON with 10 deg intial and 35 deg total timing at 2800RPM from '75 distributor, Pertronix, MSD5 and Bosch red coil . . . with no pinging at all! :)
 

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Crank pulley . . .

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What type of crank pulley did you come up with Otto? I'm getting near the point of pulling the front pulley to replace the front seal and now would be the time to upgrade. Thanks, Jarrell
Machined original single groove pulley off crank hub; machined center section out of '80 Toyota 2.6 dual groove, bolt on crank pulley (15% smaller diameter); fabricated flat steel sheet metal center section and welded to original Opel crank hub and back lip of Toyota dual groove pulley; found engine TDC and marked new pulley in line with long mark on timing cover. That's it! :cool:
 

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what about underdrive pulleys? Won't that keep the squealing down some. Is there a REPUTABLE source that can get me underdrive pulleys. And if I order today will I be able to get them before 2005!
I used to have them made in the '90's....maybe it's time for another production run???

They can't do one-offs economically, but 4-5 sets or more and the price starts getting reasonable. I used to have 4" crank pulleys and 6" water pump pulleys made, it lowers waterpump speed by 33%. Great for racing (keeps engine cooler), and worth an honest 4 hp at 7000 rpms on the dyno. They can make them in aluminum OR steel BTW. Steel lasts longed, but aluminum is SOOO light.

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Underdrive crank pulleys

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I used to have them made in the '90's....maybe it's time for another production run???

They can't do one-offs economically, but 4-5 sets or more and the price starts getting reasonable. I used to have 4" crank pulleys and 6" water pump pulleys made, it lowers waterpump speed by 33%. Great for racing (keeps engine cooler), and worth an honest 4 hp at 7000 rpms on the dyno. They can make them in aluminum OR steel BTW. Steel lasts longed, but aluminum is SOOO light.

Bob
Very true for racing, but street driving here in Texas presents a whole set of different problems . . . you can't go too wild slowing down your waterpump or you'll get overheating conditions real quickly. That's the main reason why my solution is an "only 15% smaller" crank pulley. Unless I'm REALLY romping on it, and even then only at the high end, I don't have belt squeal anymore. :)
 

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I agree. Is there anyone out there that has the means to produce them. I would definitely be interested.
I too would be interested. I guess I was naive to think it was a quick bolt on, Otto. Thanks for the info though, definitely will be a project to do later.
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We just went all through this again recently in a similar thread, fellow racer Dave had it all figured out I think, we came up with lots of ways to do it. Luckily suddenly Nobody came up with the one I needed, so I let the subject rest and it didn't come back up until now.
They are available, I think Hiro has the source.
 

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jeff denton said:
We just went all through this again recently in a similar thread, fellow racer Dave had it all figured out I think, we came up with lots of ways to do it. Luckily suddenly Nobody came up with the one I needed, so I let the subject rest and it didn't come back up until now.
They are available, I think Hiro has the source.

The underdrive pulley from Krause's is here,
I tested it last week-end during a race training session,
Was OK but the weather was very cold,
So I don't know if the water pump flow is enough for warm days.
http://www.opelgt.com/forums/77489-post62.html

The polyV pulley is here,
Did not progress at all with this project, sorry!
http://www.opelgt.com/forums/74548-post43.html
HTH,
Hiro
 
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